Re: Proposed POSIX locale changes for fi_FI

[Keld Jørn Simonsen]

I have recently got information from the Finnish standardization
organization on date formats, and I will compare it with
that info. Are you aligned with SFS on this issue?

Kind regards
Keld

On Thu, Mar 08, 2001 at 05:37:28PM +0200, Jyrki Kuoppala wrote:
> Here's a proposal for changing the fi_FI locale date formats to
> something which is recommended by the Finnish language office and
> commonly used in Finland.
> 
> Update: in the note I sent earlier today, I failed to correct for the
> incorrect format for time in the first post - the correct separator is
> '.' instead of ':'.   This suggested patch replaces the earlier one.
> 
> Current format:
> 
> $ date  
> to maalis  8 14:51:33 EET 2001
> $ date +%x  
> 08.03.2001
> $ date +%X
> 14:49:52 
> $ date +%c
> to  8 maaliskuu 2001 14:51:37
> 
> Proposed zero-padded format:
> 
> $ date
> to 08.03.2001 14.49.52 
> $ date +%x
> 08.03.2001
> $ date +%X
> 14.49.52 
> $ date +%c
> torstai 8. maaliskuuta 2001 14.50.04
> 
> Rationale:
> 
> 1) date(1) default format
> 
> "to maalis 8" is not correct Finnish usage.  Assuming a relatively
> short format, "to 8.3.2001 14.54.31" is what would be expected.
> 
> 2) strftime %x format
> 
> although zero-padding is not the common usage with dates, probably
> it's best to use zero-padding to make listings etc. appear correctly.
> 
> 3) strftime %X format
> 
> zero-padding is common for time string, separator is '.' instead of ':*.
> 
> 4) strftime %c format
> 
> "to  8 maaliskuu 2001 14:51:37" is not grammatically correct;
> the correct usage is "torstai 8. maaliskuuta 2001 14.50.04".
> Zero-padding or space-padding is not necessary, as the
> lenght of the strings varies in either case.
> 
> ------------------------------
> Proposed patch for %c, default date format and time format change:
> 
> *** fi_FI-debian-orig Fri Feb 16 21:14:13 2001
> --- fi_FI     Thu Mar  8 17:19:16 2001
> ***************
> *** 2179,2192 ****
>            "<U006C><U006F><U006B><U0061><U006B><U0075><U0075>";/
>            "<U006D><U0061><U0072><U0072><U0061><U0073><U006B><U0075><U0075>";/
>            "<U006A><U006F><U0075><U006C><U0075><U006B><U0075><U0075>"
> ! d_t_fmt  
> "<U0025><U0061><U0020><U0025><U0065><U0020><U0025><U0042><U0020><U0025><U0059><U0020><U0025><U0054>"
>   d_fmt    "<U0025><U0064><U002E><U0025><U006D><U002E><U0025><U0059>"
> ! t_fmt    "<U0025><U0054>"
>   am_pm    "";""
>   t_fmt_ampm  ""
> ! date_fmt       "<U0025><U0061><U0020><U0025><U0062><U0020><U0025><U0065>/
> ! <U0020><U0025><U0048><U003A><U0025><U004D><U003A><U0025><U0053><U0020>/
> ! <U0025><U005A><U0020><U0025><U0059>"
>   END LC_TIME
>   
>   LC_MESSAGES
> --- 2179,2191 ----
>            "<U006C><U006F><U006B><U0061><U006B><U0075><U0075>";/
>            "<U006D><U0061><U0072><U0072><U0061><U0073><U006B><U0075><U0075>";/
>            "<U006A><U006F><U0075><U006C><U0075><U006B><U0075><U0075>"
> ! d_t_fmt  
> "<U0025><U0041><U0020><U0025><U002D><U0064><U002E><U0020><U0025><U0042><U0074><U0061><U0020><U0025><U0059><U0020><U0025><U0048><U002E><U0025><U004D><U002E><U0025><U0053><U0020>"
>   d_fmt    "<U0025><U0064><U002E><U0025><U006D><U002E><U0025><U0059>"
> ! t_fmt    "<U0025><U0048><U002E><U0025><U004D><U002E><U0025><U0053><U0020>"
>   am_pm    "";""
>   t_fmt_ampm  ""
> ! date_fmt       
> "<U0025><U0061><U0020><U0025><U0064><U002E><U0025><U006d><U002E><U0025><U0059>/
> ! <U0020><U0025><U0048><U002E><U0025><U004D><U002E><U0025><U0053><U0020>"
>   END LC_TIME
>   
>   LC_MESSAGES
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
>   
> Jyrki Kuoppala, address@hidden
> Katto-Meny OK, Tallberginkatu 1B/39, 00180 Helsinki