Re: Flash plugin in 6.0 and 6.0.1

[Fernando de Oliveira]

Apologies to Nicolás if I sent directly to him.

--- Em seg, 5/9/11, Nicolás Reynolds <address@hidden> escreveu:

> De: Nicolás Reynolds <address@hidden>
> Assunto: Re: Flash plugin in 6.0 and 6.0.1
> Para: "Fernando de Oliveira" <address@hidden>
> Cc: "bugs-gnuzilla icecat" <address@hidden>
> Data: Segunda-feira, 5 de Setembro de 2011, 13:24
> El 05/09/11 09:08, Fernando de
> Oliveira dijo:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Em seg, 5/9/11, Giuseppe Scrivano <address@hidden>
> escreveu:
> >
> > > De: Giuseppe Scrivano <address@hidden>
> Assunto: Re: Flash plugin in 6.0
> > > and 6.0.1 Para: "Fernando de Oliveira" <address@hidden>
> Cc:
> > > "bugs-gnuzilla icecat" <address@hidden>
> Data: Segunda-feira, 5 de
> > > Setembro de 2011, 11:30 Fernando de Oliveira
> <address@hidden>
> writes:
> > >
> > > > Are you suggesting that I should not use
> Icecat any
> > > more?
> > >
> > > no, I am suggesting to don't use Flash :-)
> > >
> > > Giuseppe
> > >
> >
> > This is not an option, as I explained before.
> >
> > I do not understand what is the point of a buggy
> support for Flash, if it is
> > not intended to be used.
>
> Fernando, Adobe Flash is a closed source technology and
> since GNU IceCat is
> a free software project there's not much incentive to
> provide support for it,
> that's why Giuseppe suggests not to use it.
>
> If this bug hits free flash players, like gnash or
> lightspark, that's another
> matter :)
>
> --
> Salud!
> Nicolás Reynolds,

--- Em seg, 5/9/11, Koh Choon Lin <address@hidden> escreveu:

> De: Koh Choon Lin <address@hidden>
> Assunto: Re: Flash plugin in 6.0 and 6.0.1
> Para: "bugs-gnuzilla icecat" <address@hidden>
> Data: Segunda-feira, 5 de Setembro de 2011, 14:06
> Hi
>
> >> > Are you suggesting that I should not use
> Icecat any
> >> more?
> >>
> >> no, I am suggesting to don't use Flash :-)
> >>
> >> Giuseppe
> >>
> >
> > This is not an option, as I explained before.
> >
> > I do not understand what is the point of a buggy
> support for Flash, if it is not intended to be used.
>
> Indeed, the purpose of using IceCat also includes not using
> a non-free
> software like Adobe Flash. It is intended to be used with
> free Flash
> alternatives like Gnash.

Thanks Nicolás, Koh Lin and, of course, Giuseppe, for the replies.

I understand your point.

First, I like very much IceCat, mostly because it is free software and like and 
always try to use free software, this is the reason I put IceCat as my first 
browser of choice. Unfortunately, it is not always possible.

Sometime ago, I tried open JDK, had to switch back to the other one, due to 
compatibility problems, imposed by some sites I have to use and software makers.

The same happened with Gnash. My wife's son was graduating abroad, she wanted 
to watch, even invited friends and family. And I had to use Flash.

First conclusion: unfortunately, not everybody can use only free software.

Today, .deb IceCat 6.0.1 was released, finally, and was upgraded from 5.0.1. 
One machine runnig {*}buntu I have could not run it, due to the Flash 
incompatibility, and I do not know how to change about:config from command 
line, to correct it. Fortunately, I used rsync to upgrade .gnuzilla folder from 
another machine where I had fixed before.

Some decades ago (before the PC era), when I decided to systematically start 
learning programming, one principle of good programming (third rule, I believe) 
was that a program should be idiot user proof.

If this is still the case, I do not know, but IceCat, this great software, IMHO 
should conform with this rule, in order to get more users to free software 
effort and not discourage those who already use it and use them.

We are almost there. I hope not needing closed source software in the near 
future.

If you do not agree with me, I respect, and apologize for any inconvenience.

[]s,
Fernando