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Re: Missings packets on OFDM system simulation


From: Marcus Müller
Subject: Re: Missings packets on OFDM system simulation
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:33:52 +0200
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Definitely not dBW, unless you have a massive amplifier attached, AND somehow calibrated your system, AND apply that calibration. From where would the "decibel relative to Watts" know what a Watt is?


On 14.07.23 17:56, JORGE GONZALEZ ORELLANA via GNU Radio, the Free & Open-Source Toolkit for Software Radio wrote:
Hi Johannes,

I'm not sure what you mean with "Did you check the actual sample level on the "OFDM Transmitter" output port?" but in the output of the OFDM transmitter block I got about 15 [dBW], this measurement was done like this: OFDM Transmitter -> complex to mag^2 -> moving average -> 10log(input) -> file sink

For the SNR, I calculate it with the attach flowgraph and test different levels of ''Noise Voltage", I can share the values if need it.

i understand that adding noise it results in losing packets, but I don't think it should be that aggressive, i really think there is something that I'm doing wrong or not seeing

thanks for your time and comments

kindly
Jorge

El vie, 14 jul 2023 a las 4:12, Johannes Demel (<demel@ant.uni-bremen.de <mailto:demel@ant.uni-bremen.de>>) escribió:

    Hi Jorge,

    a couple of observations first:
    - the "throttle" block needs to be part of the actual flowgraph to have
    any effect. You might want to remove your null source -> throttle ->
    null sink chain.
    - for the sake of a Minimum Working Example (MWE) I suggest to remove
    the file sink and virtual sinks as well.
    - Did you check the actual sample level on the "OFDM Transmitter" output
    port? I suspect these values do not have a mean energy of 1 but way
    less. In your case probably 1/sqrt(64). You'd need to adopt the "Noise
    Voltage" parameter in your "Channel Model" block accordingly.
    - How did you compute your SNR value?
    - As long as there's noise, you'd eventually lose packets.

    Cheers
    Johannes

    On 13.07.23 20:08, JORGE GONZALEZ ORELLANA via GNU Radio, the Free &
    Open-Source Toolkit for Software Radio wrote:
     > As you can see, it's the basic implementation of OFDM.
     > My goal it's to measure the BER, but as I mentioned earlier, below
     > certain level or SNR (20dB)
     >
     > El jue, 13 jul 2023 a las 8:05, Marcus Müller (<mmueller@gnuradio.org
    <mailto:mmueller@gnuradio.org>
     > <mailto:mmueller@gnuradio.org <mailto:mmueller@gnuradio.org>>>) escribió:
     >
     >     Hi Jorge,
     >
     >     yes, please share your flowgraph. It's moot even beginning talking
     >     about it without
     >     knowing it.
     >
     >     Best regards,
     >     Marcus
     >
     >     On 12.07.23 20:53, JORGE GONZALEZ ORELLANA via GNU Radio, the Free &
     >     Open-Source Toolkit
     >     for Software Radio wrote:
     >      > Hello everyone, I have some question related with a OFDM
     >     transmission simulation, in
     >      > particular, about losing packets.
     >      >
     >      > I am using the OFDM Transmitter and Receiver blocks to do the
     >     transmission (if you need
     >      > more details, I can upload an image of the flowgraph).
     >      >
     >      > The problem that I get is when put some noise (to get some level
     >     of SNR), when I have
     >      > about 20dB (or more) of SNR I don't lose any packet, but if I put
     >     less than 20dB of SNR,
     >      > almost all packets gets lost, (just 1 or 2 packets are received),
     >     all of this happen over
     >      > simulation.
     >      >
     >      > Any suggestions on why this might happen?
     >




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