[Gnue-dev] Re: Gnue forms on DarwinX

[Neil Tiffin]

Jesse,

I had the same type problems until I erased my hard drive and started 
over.  Clean install of OS X then install everything with Fink.  I 
would highly recommend only installing packages using Fink.  I had 
all kinds of problems when I tried installing stuff myself directly 
from the individual projects.  Not being an expert the only thing I 
could figure out was that installing without Fink all of the packages 
were written to the OS X hard drive in the standard Linux directories 
(/etc /usr /bin /sbin /lib etc).  This caused me conflicts in many 
cases.  With Fink everything is installed in /sw.  No conflicts and 
people smarter than I made the Fink packages work.

Now there are a couple of packages that are not in Fink.  With these 
packages I was able to force them to install in /sw.  In most cases 
the packages figured this out (IIRC).

I would ask for help from the wxMac/Machopython group if you are 
going this direction.  I have never installed this stuff and don't 
know how it might conflict.

Sorry I could not help more.  If you do get it working please send 
your comments to the project so we can put them in the documentation.

Neil
address@hidden



> Neil,
>
>    I have fought with this for almost 2 solid days to get it to 
> work.  Sourceforge does not seem to have wxpython-wxgtk package 
> anymore.  Maybe it is no longer supported?  I have tried to install 
> wxPython for GTK myself....of course I have had to try to hack the 
> setup.py so it stops trying to setup stuff for wxMac.  Right now, it 
> seems terribly hard to setup wxGtk/python etc.  and easier to setup 
> wxMac/Machopython.  Only then, I cannot interact with the forms.
>
> Do you know how I might be able to get the fink package or some 
> other solution to get wxpython/wxgtk working?
>
> thanks,
> jesse
>
> On Wednesday, December 4, 2002, at 07:40  AM, Neil Tiffin wrote:
>
> > Some answers
> >
> > 1. Darwin is the open source underpinnings of OS X.  If you 
> > Installed using OS X then you are using OS X (and also have 
> > Darwin).  This is different from only installing the open source 
> > Darwin as not everything gets put in the open source packages.  My 
> > question was probably a little confusing now that I read it again. 
> > Since you mention 10.2 you are using OS X (with Darwin).  Darwin 
> > standalone is version 6.0.1.
> >
> > See http://developer.apple.com/darwin/
> >
> > Sorry for the confusion.
> >
> > 2. Regarding wxMac, I was never able to get it to work.  That was a 
> > year ago and it has been improved so your mileage may be better.
> >
> > If you want to get GNUe working ASAP I would recommend using Fink 
> > and wxGTK.  I also never got the binary distribution of xFree86 to 
> > work. Once I switched everything using Fink it all worked.
> >
> > http://fink.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > I would also highly recommend reading the news section on fink.  It 
> > contains really good pointers to current issues.
> >
> > http://fink.sourceforge.net/news/index.php
> >
> >
> > Fink is a set of Perl scripts that download and compile source (and 
> > binary, which i dont use) tarballs.  You will want to configure 
> > fink to use the unstable tree and make sure you have apple dev 
> > tools installed. Progress on wxgtk and wxpython is still very rapid 
> > and if you don't use unstable you will have problems.  I use 
> > unstable all of the time and have not had any negative side 
> > effects.  Of course your experience may vary so you should be 
> > cautious.
> >
> > Fink also has a GUI version.  See http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > After fink is installed you would enter the following from the 
> > terminal (I don't use the gui version).
> >
> > fink install xfree86-rootless
> > (wait a day while it compiles from source)
> > fink install wxgtk
> > fink install python22
> > fink install postgresql-ssl-python
> > fink install wxpython-wxgtk
> >
> > Some notes:  it is important to use fink python and not the python 
> > that comes with OS X.  It is brain dead (not all libraries are 
> > installed)
> >
> > I posted a list of fink packages that I have installed at
> >
> > http://www.gnuenterprise.org/~neilt/FinkPackages.txt
> >
> > This also lists all packages available for Mac OS X as of December 
> > 4, 2002 so if you are having a problem someone on IRC may be able 
> > to direct you to which one to install.
> >
> > Also, all of these installations will go into /sw by default 
> > (except xfree86)  and will not interfere with any other 
> > installations (you probably do not want to change this).  So you 
> > will have to monkey with GNUe a bit to make sure it finds 
> > everything.  The fink structure is pretty straight forward 
> > /sw/etc,  /sw/lib, /sw/bin,  /sw/var, /sw/share, /sw/src, 
> > /sw/include, etc.  So depending on what you are missing when you 
> > try to run gnue you can find it in a standard place if everything 
> > is installed using Fink.  (For those reading this with Linux 
> > background Fink is a front-end to apt-get that converts standard 
> > Linux tarballs to peculiar Mac OS X needs.)
> >
> > For each of these installs you might be asked to install other 
> > dependencies, just say "y".
> >
> > Also, I use KDE and so I also have it installed.
> >
> > 3. Once you get everything working with xfree86 and wxgtk then I 
> > would try to wxMac working.
> >
> > 4. You need to make sure that postgresql is working before you 
> > attempt to work on forms.  You should have it running an be able to 
> > connect with psql, create tables etc.
> >
> > 5.  Then you need to make sure that you can connect to postgresql 
> > from within python command line.  I don't have the correct syntax 
> > with me as I am traveling right now.  But someone on IRC can help.
> >
> > Hope this gets you started.
> >
> > I will be out of reach (for the most part) until Saturday.
> >
> > Neil
> > address@hidden
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thank you for responding to me.  I will try to answer you 
> > > questions as best as I can.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 06:20  AM, Neil Tiffin wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jesse,
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a current version working.  But it has worked in the 
> > > > past so lets start with a few basics.
> > > >
> > > > 1. I have only had it working on OS X not Darwin.  Are you really 
> > > > using Darwin or are you using OS X.  Also, which version.
> > > I'm not sure of the distinction here.  Darwin is the unix flavor 
> > > underlying the OSX 10.2 operating system, isn't it?
> > >
> > > > 2. How did you install the various dependencies?  I used fink 
> > > > except for a couple of packages that were not available in fink.
> > > I compiled wxWindows (wxMac...not GTK) and I used the binary 
> > > distro of wxPython.  I have compiled Fink, but I still do not 
> > > really understand Fink.
> > >
> > > > 3. What database did you use?  I hope it was postgresql.
> > > Yes, I have postgresql installed.  But at this point I can't even 
> > > interact with a non-database driven form, like intro.gfd.
> > >
> > > > 4. Can you read and write to the database using python?
> > > I have not tried reading or writing to Postgresql yet through Python.
> > > > 5. What version of python are you using?
> > > Version 2.2
> > > > 6. Are you using CVS or tarball version of GNUe?
> > >
> > > Tarball
> > > > Lets see where that takes us.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your help.
> > > Jesse
> > >
> > > > Neil
> > > > address@hidden
> > > >
> > > > > Hello...I understand from the IRC that you have GNUe-Forms 
> > > > > working under Darwin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you help me to get it working?  I cannot interact with forms.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jesse