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Re: Verse-chorus-verse with repeat, multiple ending, pick-up, and varyin
From: |
Carl Sorensen |
Subject: |
Re: Verse-chorus-verse with repeat, multiple ending, pick-up, and varying rhythm |
Date: |
Mon, 21 Mar 2011 20:41:28 -0600 |
On 3/21/11 6:58 PM, "Christopher R. Maden" <address@hidden> wrote:
> Finally had an excuse to learn this excellent tool. I set a simple
> four-verse English folk song, with a concertina arrangement. It looks
> pretty darn good... but it could look better, and I couldn¹t figure out
> how to bring in those last bits.
>
> This seems to be related to many FAQs, but I couldn¹t find clear answers
> that applied to this case. This is with LilyPond 2.12.3, installed from
> the package manager on Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid Lynx.
>
> Files [*]:
> <URL: http://crism.maden.org/ambletown.ly >
> <URL: http://crism.maden.org/ambletown.pdf >
>
> 1) Verse pick-ups. I¹d like verses 24 to start in the first
> alternative ending on the pickups there, rather than before the start of
> the repeat. I tried a few things that resulted in text below the
> concertina line or duplication of the alternatives, but the only
> solution I could contemplate was to \skip the entire chorus for every
> verse. If that¹s the only way, I¹ll do it, but surely there is a better
> way to get the lyrics to follow the actual flow of the notes.
>
\repeat unfold 50 {\skip 1} is your friend. I'm not sure why that's not an
acceptable way to do it.
Here's simple code that I tried to get your desired behavior. It's
generally preferable on the -user list to make a short version of your
problem, rather than posting a link to the full file. I think it should
work with 2.12, but I haven't tested it.
\version "2.13.46"
verseOneWords = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"1. "
This is the verse one
This is the cho -- rus
\set stanza = #"2. "
This
rus.
}
verseTwoWords =
\lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"2. "
\skip 4
is the verse two.
\repeat unfold 5 {\skip 4}
\set stanza = #"3. "
This
}
verseThreeWords =
\lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"3. "
\skip 4
is the verse three.
\repeat unfold 5 {\skip 4}
\set stanza = #"4. "
This
}
verseFourWords = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"4. "
\skip 4
is the verse four.
}
verse = \relative c'' {
\partial 4
c4 |
\repeat volta 4 {
a4 a4 a4 a4 |
b4 b b b |
}
\alternative {
{b2 r4 c4}
{b1}
}
}
\score {
<<
\new Staff {
\new Voice = "mel" {
\verse
}
}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" {\verseOneWords}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" {\verseTwoWords}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" {\verseThreeWords}
\new Lyrics \lyricsto "mel" {\verseFourWords}
>>
}
Here's an alternative way that uses a little more logical breakdown of the
elements. It still needs to use the skips, but they're put into a variable.
\version "2.13.46"
verseOneWords = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"1. "
This is the verse one
}
chorusWords = \lyricmode {
This is the cho -- rus
}
chorusSkip = \lyricmode {
\repeat unfold 5 {\skip 1}
}
verseTwoPickup = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"2. "
This
}
verseTwoWords =
\lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"2. "
\skip 4
is the verse two.
}
verseThreePickup = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"3. "
This
}
verseThreeWords =
\lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"3. "
\skip 4
is the verse three.
}
verseFourPickup = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"4. "
This
}
verseFourWords = \lyricmode {
\set stanza = #"4. "
\skip 4
is the verse four.
}
chorusEnding = \lyricmode {
-rus.
}
structure = {
\partial 4
s4
\repeat volta 4 {
s1 | s1 |
}
\alternative {
{s1}
{s1}
}
}
verse = \relative c'' {
c4 |
a4 a4 a4 a4 |
}
chorus = \relative c'' {
b4 b b b |
b2 r4 c4 |
b1
}
\score {
<<
\new Staff {
<<
\structure
\new Voice = "mel" {
\verse
\chorus
}
>>
}
\new Lyrics {
\lyricsto "mel" {
\verseOneWords
\chorusWords
\verseTwoPickup
\chorusEnding
}
}
\new Lyrics {
\lyricsto "mel" {
\verseTwoWords
\chorusSkip
\verseThreePickup
}
}
\new Lyrics {
\lyricsto "mel" {
\verseThreeWords
\chorusSkip
\verseFourPickup
}
}
\new Lyrics {
\lyricsto "mel" {
\verseFourWords
\chorusSkip
}
}
>>
}
> 2) Alternate rhythms. There are a lot of small differences in the
> rhythms of the verses. You can see this implicit in the current score,
> where there are same-pitch melisata and skipped notes.
>
> I would like instead to have the first verse¹s rhythm in full-size
> notation, with variations for subsequent verses in small notes or rests.
>
Small notes can be produced with a CueVoice. See Formatting cue notes in
the Notation Reference, section 1.6.3 Writing Parts.
> For cases where one pitch is re-used, or where two notes are slurred for
> one syllable, I could use a dotted tie or slur. The problem is that
> then the lyrics engine treats them as real ties or slurs, and
> mis-assigns the shorter syllables; I can then quote them to force them
> on to the same note, but then the alignment is off.
You can use phrasing slurs instead of slurs. These will represent both a
slur and a tie.
> A way to easily
> draw the dotted ties or slurs without changing the rhythm for lyrics
> would be acceptable; a way to indicate varying rhythm on the different
> verses would be even better.
I'm not sure what this means. What do you mean by "a way to indicate
varying rhythm on the different verses"?
HTH,
Carl
- Verse-chorus-verse with repeat, multiple ending, pick-up, and varying rhythm, Christopher R. Maden, 2011/03/21
- Re: Verse-chorus-verse with repeat, multiple ending, pick-up, and varying rhythm, Peter Chubb, 2011/03/21
- Re: Verse-chorus-verse with repeat, multiple ending, pick-up, and varying rhythm,
Carl Sorensen <=
- Re: Verse-chorus-verse with repeat, multiple ending, pick-up, and varying rhythm, Johan Vromans, 2011/03/22
- Re: Verse-chorus-verse with repeat, multiple ending, pick-up, and varying rhythm, Christopher R. Maden, 2011/03/22