Re: mailing-list problem (Was Re: lynx-dev What happened to MINGW patch? (fwd))

[Frédéric L . W . Meunier]

On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Henry Nelson wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 04:11:50AM -0200, Frédéric L. W. Meunier wrote:
> > 'About Lynx-Dev' states:
> >
> > "Messages from non-subscribers are not immediately distributed
> > to avoid spam. Usually, if your message appears genuine, it
>
> _Under the present circumstances_ (existence by the grace of sig.net,
> and no steady/reliable group of volunteers to moderate), this should be
> rewritten to require subscription, IMO.  Actually, I'd hope for such a
> change in the new release.
>
> > 8- This is the third and last time I take place on a thread
> > about a possible move. Hope we do :-)
>
> Whether "we" move or not probably depends nearly entirely on you.  Someone
> just has to take the reins and do it.
>
> I don't understand why you say "last time I take place on a thread ...".

It's the last time I start a thread suggesting a move. I think
this is the fourth time we discuss it and nothing happens.

> You seem to want a move more than anyone.  If you really do
> want the move, then do it.

Frankly, it isn't that I want a move more than anyone. Yes,
maybe I want, but for me the point is: Lynx deserves better
services. His users too.

> Tom has said he wouldn't mind and would give a little help.

Sure. So, what we need are moderators. We already have 2.

> It's a big, big job.

Maintaning a project is. A mailing-list, not that much, really.
At least the dozen I maintain.

> You'll have to ask yourself whether you really want to take
> it on.

See above.

> It's a commitment in terms of years, not one or two months.

Yes, it's. I don't intend to leave or stop using Lynx until my
death. But we don't know how long we'll live or be healthy, do
we ?

> (I for one believe Lynx will last a few more years!)

Only a few ? I hope more than us.

> With only a 140+ members on the list now, I fear you may have
> trouble recruiting volunteers to do monitor/maintenance work.
> I see no one other than you raising their hand.

What's so hard to do ? The major work will be moderate the
messages from non subscribers.

> Bob reiterated his stance that he'd welcome a change to give
> lynx-dev greater stability, and that he would aid in whatever
> manner he could to make the move go smoothly.

Yes. He can. Let's se what I propose.

1- Move it to Savannah.

2- Create a lynx-dev there.

3- Create a lynx-announce there. Thomas sends announcements
about new releases (and /temp patches) to both.

3- Subscribe all users from the old lynx-dev to the new and
send them a message about the move. They have to reply to it /
follow the instructions to get subscribed.

Yes, we could just add the 140+ automatically, but we don't
know how many are still "valid".

Or we can. Opinions ?

4- Contact the lynx-dev-contrib subscribers and ask if they
want to be added in a list of addresses that can only post.

5- If someone tries to subscribe to the old lynx-dev and
lynx-dev-contrib, send them a message about the move.

The same could be made for messages from non subscribers. But
then you'd probably send hundreds of e-mails back to spammers.

6- And in the not so long run, remove the spam from the
FLORA.org archives and move it. The move can't be done by us.
We'd have to contact the Savannah people.

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