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Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add ignore-external migration capability
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Eduardo Habkost |
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Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add ignore-external migration capability |
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Fri, 11 Jan 2019 18:55:16 -0200 |
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On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 06:49:53PM +0300, Yury Kotov wrote:
> 10.01.2019, 23:12, "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <address@hidden>:
> > * Yury Kotov (address@hidden) wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The series adds migration capability which allows to skip 'external' RAM
> >> blocks
> >> during migration. External block is a RAMBlock which available from the
> >> outside
> >> of current QEMU process (e.g. file in /dev/shm). It's useful for fast
> >> local
> >> migration to update QEMU for the running guests.
> >
> > Hi Yury,
> > There have been a few similar patch series around from people wanting
> > to do similar things.
> > In particular Lai Jiangshan's
> > https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-03/msg07511.html
> > and Cédric Le Goater wanted to skip regions for a different reason.
> >
> > We merged some of Cédric's code last year so that we now
> > have the qemu_ram_is_migratable() function - and we should be reusing
> > that to skip things rather than adding a new check that we have to add
> > everywhere.
> >
>
> I didn't see the series, so I'll check it, thanks!
> But I saw qemu_ram_is_migratable() function and corresponding patch.
> It's very close to my needs, but it works a bit different IIUC:
> 1. Not migratable blocks isn't validated (existence and size) during
> migration,
> 2. "Migratable" state is determined during the block creation time.
> Such case isn't valid because of it:
> * Source has one migratable and one not migratable RAM blocks,
> * Target has the same (idstr) blocks, but both are not migratable.
> Thus, target will not expect pages for not migratable blocks.
>
> > Also, ypu're skipping 'external' things, I think the other suggestion
> > was to skip 'shared' things (i.e. anything with share=0); skipping
> > share=on cases sounds easier to me.
>
> I agree that introducing new term is a complication, but 'share' and
> 'external'
> terms have important differences (I'll describe it below).
>
> Just to clarify:
> * 'share' means that other processes has an access to such memory,
> * 'external' means file backed memory.
If you use file backed memory with share=off, writes are not
propagated to the file (they are mapped with MAP_PRIVATE). Would
you really want to skip file backed memory if it has share=off?
>
> There is another use case I wanted to support (I had to write about it in
> the cover letter, sorry..):
> 1. Migrate source VM to file and kill source,
> 2. Start target VM and migrate it from file.
> In such case source VM may have memory-backend-ram with share=off, it's ok.
>
> Thus, in the new migration capability I want to migrate memory that meets
> three conditions:
> 1. The source will not use the memory after migration ends,
> 2. The source may exit before target starts (migrate to file),
> 3. The target has an access to the memory.
>
> I think 'external' fits them better than 'share'.
>
In either case, defining "external" seems tricky. A memory
region might be backed by a file on tmpfs or hugetlbfs that was
deleted, which makes the file "internal" for practical purposes.
QEMU has no way to tell if (3) is really true.
--
Eduardo
- Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 1/4] migration: add RAMBlock's offset validation, (continued)
[Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/4] migration: introduce ignore-external capability, Yury Kotov, 2019/01/10
Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add ignore-external migration capability, Dr. David Alan Gilbert, 2019/01/10
Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add ignore-external migration capability,
Eduardo Habkost <=
Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add ignore-external migration capability, Yury Kotov, 2019/01/14
Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add ignore-external migration capability, no-reply, 2019/01/13
Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 0/4] Add ignore-external migration capability, no-reply, 2019/01/13