Re: [rdiff-backup-users] SafeKeep version 1.4.0 (stable) released

[Frank Crawford]

Just to extend that a bit further, in concept, SafeKeep is no different
to writing a shell script to run rdiff-backup with standard arguments.
Of course, SafeKeep is more complex than just a simple shell script, as
it works hard to set up a reasonable environment for rdiff-backup to run
in on both the host and client.

Further, while SafeKeep currently uses rdiff-backup, it could be use any
reasonable backup program to perform the backup task.  It doesn't use
any code from the backup program, it just calls it with the appropriate
command-line arguments.

Frank

On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 10:31 -0500, Dimi Paun wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> You are correct -- we need to clarify the fact that we don't fork or
> copy the rdiff-backup codebase.
> 
> Just to be clear: we simply call out to your installed version of
> rdiff-backup. We just provide a simpler, centralized interface to it.
> If you look at our RPMs/DEBs, you we'll see that we "Require" the
> rdiff-backup package.
> 
> By way of comparison, safekeep uses rdiff-backup under the hood the
> same way say gcc used cpp, asm, cc1, ldd to build an executable. 
> (this is no longer a valid comparison as gcc now integrates cpp
> directly instead of calling out to it, but we don't do that for
> rdiff-backup).
> 
> Hope this is a better explanation,
> Dimi.
> 
> On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 10:02 -0500, Matt Van Mater wrote:
> > I read the pages you mentioned prior to posting and I feel that FAQ
> > entry comparing and contrasting would be useful.
> > 
> > Do you plan on maintaining a parallel code base in the event
> > rdiffbackup development resumes? Or will you integrate the two?
> > 
> > On Feb 18, 2012 9:09 AM, "Frank Crawford" <address@hidden>
> > wrote:
> >         Matt,
> >         
> >         I think you have a misconception about what SafeKeep is, it
> >         is a simplified interface to rdiff-backup, not a
> >         replacement.  It simplifies such tasks as key deployment,
> >         snapshotting (yes, even if bound to a particular volume
> >         manager) and just plain running of backups.
> >         
> >         For more details on what it does, have a look at our home
> >         page (http://safekeep.sourceforge.net) and in particular the
> >         motivation page
> >         (http://safekeep.sourceforge.net/motivation.shtml).
> >         
> >         Regards
> >         Frank
> >         
> >         On Sat, 2012-02-18 at 08:40 -0500, Matt Van Mater wrote:
> >         > OK, So you're missing one key FAQ item:
> >         > 
> >         > How does your software differ from rdiff-backup?  A
> >         > compare and contrast page would be nice.
> >         > 
> >         > The only thing i really saw of significance was the use of
> >         > LVM for snapshotting... that's not a feature to me, in
> >         > fact it feels more like reinventing the wheel and that's
> >         > lock-in to a particular file system.
> >         > 
> >         > Tell me how you do it better (e.g. faster, more reliably,
> >         > etc)!
> >         > 
> >         > On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Frank Crawford
> >         > <address@hidden> wrote:
> >         >         This is release 1.4.0 of SafeKeep, a centralized
> >         >         and easy to use
> >         >         backup application that combines the best features
> >         >         of a mirror
> >         >         and an incremental backup.
> >         >         
> >         >         What's new in this release:
> >         >          - Add the ability to store script files on either
> >         >         client or server.
> >         >          - Rewritten snapshot creation to remove use of
> >         >         "rbind".
> >         >          - Automatic cleanup on next run after an abort.
> >         >          - Support of LVM tagging for snapshots.
> >         >          - Better handling of messages and tracebacks.
> >         >          - A number of other code cleanups and bug fixes.
> >         >          - Updated minimum Python support to Python 2.3.
> >         >         
> >         >         Many thanks to Andres Toomsalu, Ken Bass, Joe
> >         >         Steele and Alexander List
> >         >         for the fixes that made this release possible, and
> >         >         to Dimi Paun for his
> >         >         continual work with SafeKeep.
> >         >         
> >         >         Sources and binaries are available from the
> >         >         following locations:
> >         >         
> >         >          - RedHat EL/CentOS 4,5,6 Fedora
> >         >         8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16:
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-common-1.4.0-1.noarch.rpm
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-client-1.4.0-1.noarch.rpm
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-server-1.4.0-1.noarch.rpm
> >         >         
> >         >          - Ubuntu Dapper, Breezy, Hardy, Lucid, Maverick,
> >         >         Natty, Oneiric and Precise:
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-common_1.4.0_all.deb
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-client_1.4.0_all.deb
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-server_1.4.0_all.deb
> >         >         
> >         >         Note: The Debian packages are not yet available.
> >         >          They should be uploaded within
> >         >         the next few days.
> >         >         
> >         >          - Source:
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-1.4.0.tar.gz
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/safekeep-1.4.0-1.src.rpm
> >         >         
> >         >         The GPG Signing Key can be found in the following
> >         >         location:
> >         >         
> >         >          
> > http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/safekeep/RPM-GPG-KEY-SafeKeep
> >         >         
> >         >         with fingerprint:
> >         >         
> >         >         pub   1024D/4E1CD0E5 2012-02-17
> >         >              Key fingerprint = B051 E099 25D1 CE50 54DF
> >         >          227D 96FC 24AC 4E1C D0E5
> >         >         uid                  SafeKeep (Signing Key)
> >         >         <address@hidden>
> >         >         sub   1024g/6AA3270F 2012-02-17
> >         >         
> >         >         NOTE: The minimum version of Python now supported
> >         >         is Python 2.3.  If you
> >         >         require support of an older version of Python,
> >         >         then you should select an
> >         >         earlier release of Safekeep.
> >         >         
> >         >         To find out more about the project visit on our
> >         >         website:
> >         >          http://safekeep.sourceforge.net
> >         >         
> >         >         --
> >         >         Frank Crawford <address@hidden>
> >         >         for Dimi Paun <address@hidden>
> >         >         Lattica, Inc.
> >         >         
> >         >         
> >         >         
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