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[Advocate Play Ogg] Re: Advocate Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2
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Brian Kemp |
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[Advocate Play Ogg] Re: Advocate Digest, Vol 11, Issue 2 |
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Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:33:19 -0400 |
Jon:
This is good. However I'm going to make one suggestion here:
Don't call names. Use "Microsoft" and "Apple"; if you don't your
argument comes off as much more childish and less well-thought out.
c: what kind of free?
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> Subject: [Advocate Play Ogg] Follow up to Stevey[dot]eu
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> To Steve (Stevey[dot]eu),
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> Thank you for your contribution.
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> I would like to add a few items about Ogg.
>
> a.. There are several objective tests that can show you that "byte" for
> "byte" that Ogg outputs superior fidelity to MP3. The best test of course is
> the listen test. When listening, understand the better the hardware is
> (headphones, amp., speakers etc), the more one can hear the superior output
> of Ogg.
>
> b.. I have noticed that there have been several PC games that my kids have
> installed where I saw .Ogg files being installed. SMART company. This
> relieves them of any licensing fees for the distribution of their music. I
> know all of the Lego PC games are like that and a lot more.
>
> c.. On the PC level, Ogg can be played on all audio players that I know of.
> In my opinion, the best, latest of the he Ogg decoders and encoders can be
> found on the Rarewares Site. http://rarewares.org/ogg.php . It is all free.
>
> d.. On Rarewares, there is this outrageously simple and "cute", Ogg
> encoder/decoder front end program called oggdropXPd .
> http://rarewares.org/ogg-oggdropxpd.php .
> There are even versions of it that are customized for 64 bit processing.
> Adding the support "dlls", adds decoding from other formats which gives
> oggdropXPd to encode several different formats to Ogg.
>
> e.. When shopping for a portable media player (PMP), MAKE SURE you send
> the vendor a email or call to marketing asking them if the support Ogg. Do it
> even if you know they don't and remind them that it is license free. The
> pressure from Microshaft/Crapple (virtually the same company), to attempt to
> kill of any open source software would be the reason that they won't have
> decoders for Ogg and most likely the lossless open source Flac and Ape.
> ALWAYS ask when shopping on the web or in retail stores and let it be known
> that you will not purchase a unit that DOES NOT support the superior open
> source formats like Ogg, Flac, etc.
>
> f.. There is enormous pressure put on companies to follow the "greedy brick
> road", and do what Microshaft/Crapple want then to do. For example, to
> support only the "W" formats and MP3 formats that are customized to include
> the DRM virus. Fortunately DRM is dying a slow but steady death. For
> example, Amazon.com proudly displays that their audio downloads DO NOT
> contain DRM. All DRM does is hassle the customer and limit exposure of
> artists. I have wrote to Amazon about including some superior open source
> formats to give their customers a choice.
>
> g.. I personally have two Portable Audio Players made by a South Korean
> company, Cowon/IAudio. I have the IAudio U3 and the rather spectacular Cowon
> D2.
> Both of these players natively support Ogg and Flac as well as the usual
> suspects. Also they can be connect generically to Linux boxes to upload and
> download their media.
> While Cowon is not sold in retail stores, at lease not in the U.S., the are
> available from the Cowon web site, Amazon.com, newegg.com (where I have
> purchased both of my units) and loads of other large online stores. The D2
> is a few years news and blows out audio at 74watts and my little U3's amp
> outputs at 64watts. My recommendations would be to look at their D2 or their
> IAudio 7 line. I will plug in my D2 in my standalone, $58 Philips DVD player
> to play videos, audio and photos. IT can connect to about anything and with
> its power, it works great on other systems and of course at a personal
> player. I am sure that there are other Portable Media Players that support
> open source formats, it is just that overall, I like Cowon the best for audio
> quality and flexibility.
>
> h.. We CAN create customer pressure to create changes with how we spend out
> dollars. Make sure you let other vendors know that you want Ogg support .
> That is on stand alone DVD players as well.
>
> i.. Last little editorial . When encoding my files to Ogg, it is important
> to understand that Ogg works with quality settings as opposed to how MP3
> works with bitrate settings. There are three Quality (or Q) settings that I
> use. If the source audio is of low fidelity quality, like a podcast and
> contains speech, OR size of the audio file is of importance, I use Q2.
> If I am posting some music on my web site or for general purpose use, then
> Q4 is what I would use.
> Most of my encoding is done using Q6. That is what I use the most for music
> that I listen to on my Cowon portable media players and PC. To be honest, I
> have not been able to hear the difference between the original source or a
> lossless format like FLAC while using Q6 and the size of the files come out
> at a very reasonable size.
> Jon
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