13:24:23 Jed:  It puts up its GUI and pretty much immediately closes with an error that all drivers failed. 
 13:36:04 Jed:  That's pretty trivial, except when I go to conferences and whatnot and want to watch a DVD or something. But I'm not planning on going to anything for months. 
 13:36:45 BResDev:  You do realize that watching a DVD is practically impossible to do well in Linux. 
 13:38:01 Jed:  I thought it was a pain but doable, at least under x86. 
 13:38:16 BResDev:  It won't work reliably. 
 13:38:23 BResDev:  Some disks will work with some players and not with others. 
 13:38:28 BResDev:  It's a waste of time. 
 13:38:58 Jed:  So I gather you're not one of those "linux on the desktop! Woo!" people. ;) 
 13:39:14 BResDev:  It's all I use. 
 13:39:24 Jed:  I mean the commodity desktop. 
 13:39:24 BResDev:  If you want a DVD player go buy a DVD player. 
 13:40:07 BResDev:  Even under Windows or OSX a laptop doesn't make a very good DVD player. 
 13:40:12 BResDev:  The interface is always clunky. 
 13:42:43 Jed:  So to recap, the only things I use my laptop for are either pathetically simple to do under any OS, or they're a complete pain to do under linux yet simple on OS X. 
 13:43:51 Jed:  It was a thought in my brain just now, I felt I needed to get it out so I could see it myself. 
 13:44:35 BResDev:  Uhh okay. 
Conversation started on Tue Feb 25 14:08:54 2003 
 14:08:54 Jed:  Do you know if there's any particular reason that the MacOS X installer can't see my hard drive now? 
 14:14:25 Jed:  The MacOS 9 installer happened to let me see it and initialize it. 
 14:16:03 BResDev:  Beats me.