bug#64124: 29.0.91; Loading ‘tramp’ unconditionally loads ‘ls-lisp’

[Sebastian Miele]

Feature ‘tramp’ unconditionally requires ‘tramp-compat’, which in turn
unconditionally requires ‘ls-lisp’.  ‘ls-lisp’ advises ‘dired’ with
‘ls-lisp--dired’.  That in particular has the effect that globstar
patterns do not work as advertised in [[info:emacs#Dired Enter]], even
though my SHELL does support them out of the box.

So now the situation is: If you use Tramp, then you also use ‘ls-lisp’,
and cannot use globstar patterns, as advertised in the Emacs manual.

This can be alliviated by removing the advice around ‘dired’ in my
config.  However, I do not know whether that breaks anything.

I don't know a good way out.  As far as I understand the description of
‘tramp-compat’, it should not be necessary for Emacs 29, so it should
not be required unconditionally in ‘tramp’.  But even then, and for
Emacs <29, a compatibility layer ideally would not make a decision like
whether to use ‘ls-lisp’, or not.

In any case, if ‘ls-lisp’ is necessary when using Tramp,
[[info:emacs#Dired Enter]] definitely should mention that.  It took me
more than two hours to figure out what is wrong with one of the first
Dired features explained in the Emacs manual.

In GNU Emacs 29.0.91 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
 3.24.38, cairo version 1.17.8) of 2023-06-15 built on huette
Repository revision: c8357582389e7090744c9fbc3ea577d7d639cd1b
Repository branch: HEAD
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101008
System Description: Arch Linux

Configured using:
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