Re: NR 2.1.1: Lyric Tie and other languages

[Simon Albrecht]

Am 06.05.2015 um 09:06 schrieb James Lowe:
> On 06/05/15 00:01, Simon Albrecht wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > <http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/common-notation-for-vocal-music#multiple-syllables-to-one-note>
> > has an example covering the use of LyricTie with Italian text. Using the
> > same feature with German text (and probably other languages too), or
> > more accurately, with multiple syllables of the same word, requires
> > overriding word-space, so I suggest to add the following after the
> > current example (i.e. after line 611/12 in vocal.itely, unless I’m
> > mistaken):
> >
> > "
> > If the syllables belong to one word, it is necessary to override
> > word space.
> >
> > @lilypond[quote,ragged-right,verbatim,relative=2]
> > <<
> >    {
> >      \cadenzaOn
> >      a4 a g c b8[( a]) b4 a2 \breathe
> >      \bar "" \break
> >      a4 c d4. c8 d4 e c2
> >    }
> >    \addlyrics {
> >      Er ging aus der Kam -- mer sein,
> >      dem
> >      \markup \override #'(word-space . 0)
> >      \tied-lyric #"kö~nig" -- li -- chen
> >      Saal so rein,
> >    }
> > @end lilypond
> > "
> >
> > Best regards, Simon
> >
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> Thanks Simon, is there any reason
>
> 1. We require the \cadenzaOn (for the sake of simplifying the example as
> much as possible in the doc)?
No. I just used the real-world example posted on -user yesterday. If you 
think it matters, you may well substitute a more ‘technical’ example, or 
remove everything except for ‘königlichen’ and its three notes. I’d say 
that the appeal of the example outweighs the after all still small space 
it takes, however.
> 2. Is it *always* necessary to override the word space in the case of
> when syllables belong to one word or is this
>
> i. a specific type of case
I wouldn’t say so. Of course, there are instances where the same goal is 
achieved through a second voice containing two eighth notes and two 
separate LyricSyllables aligned to the temporary voice. But if the setup 
is as in the example (which makes sense especially if there are multiple 
stanzas, and occurs more frequently in ancient music), the override is 
necessary.
> ii. are there any other ways to do this without using an '\override'
Not _if_ one wants the tie. (except for the code in issue 3088, but that 
doesn’t yet count IMO.) Of course it’s possible to just write könig -- 
li -- chen and hope that it’s clear enough without the tie. But it’s 
somewhat common to use the tie and it eases reading.

HTH, Simon