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[Bug-spacechart] That said, most of the focus here and elsewhere will be


From: Nannie
Subject: [Bug-spacechart] That said, most of the focus here and elsewhere will be on SE as that's usually what people mean when they say "Java.
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:34:23 +0200

open sourcing Java, is maintaining and growing an environment that's
favorable for Sun to market and sell into. The more important effect of
Java, and esp.
Then the usual two wrap up with widget and UI fantasies. I like Java,
quite a lot actually. Hopefully the expierience is better.

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Hidden is a great word. Because, as Sun folks like to say, innovation
happens elsewhere, and a large part of that elsewhere is the open source
community. Getting into Linux as a "normal" piece of software is
important for achieving tipping points of ubiquity.
That's the nature of open source: you can only try to direct things in
your direction, it's the greater community that actually makes it
happen. Indeed, preventing that kind of forking is one of the strategic
moves when choosing the GPL. From the questions and answer time I had
with them, it didn't seem like open source dumping. At the moment, Java
can't be depended on to exist on any old Linux.
That kinds of "guided chaos" may seem dangerous, but companies like IBM,
RedHat, Oracle, and Sun themselves have long shown that it works for a
commercial company. I see the two more as getting along in the long
term, at least ruby. " I wanted to make sure to call this out because I
know many "closed source" people have a negative view of using GPL
regardless of whether those perception are warranted.
So, take those disclaimer as grains of salt in all of this.
That said, most of the focus here and elsewhere will be on SE as that's
usually what people mean when they say "Java.
Indeed, preventing that kind of forking is one of the strategic moves
when choosing the GPL.
From the questions and answer time I had with them, it didn't seem like
open source dumping. As I commented to a reporter this morning, as
RedMonk has said before, Microsoft has been surprising people with their
closer engagement with the OSS world. More importantly, I'm not really
sure it could be any other way. Getting into Linux as a "normal" piece
of software is important for achieving tipping points of ubiquity. Or,
just leave comments below or on your own blog. To twist the Zen koen, if
a company open sources a code base and no one commits code, have they
really open sourced?
I can never remember when any of them are.
It just gets more attention for Sun and Java.
The issue is not that they're pointing to non-existent problems: the
issue that their diction and phrasing indicates a disdain, real or
perceived, for their targets.
Getting into Linux as a "normal" piece of software is important for
achieving tipping points of ubiquity. " Ah, the Programmer's Dilemma.
open sourcing Java, is maintaining and growing an environment that's
favorable for Sun to market and sell into. It was something like this:
"They're not going to fork the web. Why does a "PR bump" matter? That
kinds of "guided chaos" may seem dangerous, but companies like IBM,
RedHat, Oracle, and Sun themselves have long shown that it works for a
commercial company.
Even "better," Sun is dual licensing the code so you can still get and
distribute Java under the "old," commercial terms. Across several Adobe
folks I talked with the idea was both simple: the web is not evolving to
the next generation appropriately, more importantly, there isn't someone
taking care of it.
My understanding is that the majority of this code are graphics and
rendering things. I like Java, quite a lot actually.
Indeed, preventing that kind of forking is one of the strategic moves
when choosing the GPL. Why does a "PR bump" matter?
" That's fair in the meritocracy open source world: talk is cheap,
commits are what matter. Getting into Linux as a "normal" piece of
software is important for achieving tipping points of ubiquity. " That's
fair in the meritocracy open source world: talk is cheap, commits are
what matter.
I like, as always, the archaic definition.
I can never remember when any of them are.
The issue is not that they're pointing to non-existent problems: the
issue that their diction and phrasing indicates a disdain, real or
perceived, for their targets. It just gets more attention for Sun and
Java. The more important effect of Java, and esp. Why does a "PR bump"
matter? " That's fair in the meritocracy open source world: talk is
cheap, commits are what matter. Even "better," Sun is dual licensing the
code so you can still get and distribute Java under the "old,"
commercial terms.
Why does that matter? Because, as Sun folks like to say, innovation
happens elsewhere, and a large part of that elsewhere is the open source
community.





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