[circle] Re: releases

[Famille Crestois]

> ready by about the end of the week :-)


Great and thomas compile the windows version ?

Interface with mozilla is a very good hack great

See you on the new release ..

Next week ..

Fabrice
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   1. Re: releases (Paul Harrison)
   2. circle's old daemons : an essay on the separation between
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Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:47:50 +1000 (EST)
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On Sun, 18 May 2003, Steven and Julie wrote:

>
> *nods* The phrase "You don't have to be crazy to work here, but it
> helps" comes to mind.  Personally, I think you're all comitted, you
> just haven't realised it yet.  (jingles the little green pills he got
> when he left...)  ;)
>

I wasn't committed, i went voluntrarily! But all the pills they gave me
did was make me sleepy or sick or dizzy...

>
> > I've comitted fixes now that should make it useable again:
> >   - fixed the slow message rendering
> >   - channels should work properly now
>
> Never had the chance to try the channels...  Usually no one else on to
talk to.  :(
>

Pretty heavy discussion on #welcome and #circle recently...

> I do hope someone's going to put all the different releases up on the
> Circle page on Savannah.  A quick note on the sources.list lines to
> use, a quick note on how to use cvs to fetch the gtk1 vs gtk2 version,
> and any other formats Circle is presently being packaged in.
> (Sorry...  I just couldn't bring myself to say w...  win...  wind...
> windo...  winblows....  That's about as close as I can manage, I
> think.)
>

The current releases are still all up at thecircle.org.au, but it's been a
long time since the last release. The current CVS version is comming along
very nicely now, so i think it should be release ready by about the end of
the week :-)

Paul

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Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 10:59:07 +0200
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Steven and Julie wrote:

>Out of curiosity, do circle and circled both make their own connection to
the circle network?  I wonder if it wouldn't be best to make the circle
client start up and use circled as its protocol layer.  It might make some
little things a little more painful, but shouldn't be too bad.
>
yes, separation between gui and core is the holy grail of circle.
Thomas Mangin tried to put his hands on it, but I think that he burned them.

I agree that circled is the road to follow.

>Then, if circled had a kind of reference counting feature.  A reference
being the use of "circled start|stop", a unix socket which apps can open
(and will automatically unreference also),
>
circled already has that.

>whatever method would be needed to get it to work under winblows (a
localhost-only bound inet listening socket, perhaps), and a temporary
reference (via command-line args to a circle-remote client, or something)
which dies if it's not re-used in some period of time (useful from a CGI
page, for example)...
>
>Also of benefit, would be the ability for a site to run circled as user
"circle".
>
at this point, circled does not register itself as a user.

>And perhaps move some of the user configuration (like that lovely
16-character 'name') into circled's config instead, therefor protecting some
of circle's mechanics from users not smart enough to install their own
client.  It may also have the effect of cutting down on the number of circle
threads running on a multi-user system.
>
>
I do not see the point here... why would the daemon need a name?

>It'd also make it much easier to implement new interfaces, esp. ones
written in something other than python.
>
yes, this is what I am currently doing with Mozilla.
I added commands to the daemon, so that it can
perform searches in circle and download files.
I think it would be easy to use circled for all
the operations that involve the hashtable.

So here is my proposal, if we want to separate gui and core of circle:

We could use circled and use the 'get' and 'search' commands I added to it.
[and slightly modify them, because at this point they return html-formatted
results. Html (or any other format) should be the business of the
client...]

For chat, the gui would ask to the daemon the list of people on a channel.
However, I think it should bypass the daemon for sending messages, once
it knows the list of recipients.

the advantage of using circled is that it is possible to achieve separation
progressively, which should be much easier than to rewrite everything
from scratch.

Thomas





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