Re: Denemo tutorials

[jim]

    I am taking the weekend
      to think about this.

On 3/26/21 3:01 PM, Richard Shann wrote:

> On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 10:56 -0700, jim wrote:
> > I am interested in working with others to 
> > develop Denemo tutorials. My background 
> > includes nearly ten years of technical 
> > writing, another nearly ten years of 
> > teaching programming, as well as a life 
> > time of playing music. 
> > jim@well.com 
> >       
> That would be great! What sort of tutorial material do you have in
> mind? 
> I guess you will have seen the videos linked to from denemo.org? If you
> are thinking of written material with pictures, it would be possible to
> add tutorial material to the manual (which is written in LyX https://ww
> w.lyx.org/). That could be exported as HTML and linked to from
> denemo.org.
> I'm always around if there are questions about how to do particular
> sorts of things in Denemo, and I flatter myself I am quite good at
> proof-reading...
>
> Richard
>
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> > On 3/26/21 5:58 AM, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2021-03-26 at 12:13 +0000, fmaurer wrote:
> > > > Hi there!
> > > > Are there ant detailed tutorials available for Denemo?
> > > >           
> > > Sadly no ...
> > > > The tutorials seem to jump from basic note input to 
> > > > SATB choir on two staffs
> > > > Create the parts one to a staff using the Voice Preset commands
> > > > (Staffs/Voices->Voices menu)
> > > > Then use the Staff Groupings to set Choir staff start and end.
> > > > (no longer needed is join the staffs with Join Voices before
> > > > printing, that just affects the display
> > > > You can edit two voices on one staff, but it is best to use Split
> > > > Staffs first.)
> > > > Note there a template for this (see Open -> Templates), and in
> > > > Open
> > > > -> Example there is a file showing how to typeset lyrics above an
> > > > below the staffs for the four parts.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > without showing what actually needs to be done and how it should
> > > > look
> > > > like.
> > > > For example what does "Create the parts one to a staff" actually
> > > > mean?
> > > >           
> > > Yes, that's pretty cryptic and several years out of date. I've just
> > > updated it thus:
> > >
> > > "Create one staff for each of the four parts using the Staffs->Add
> > > Staff menu. Then make the second
> > > and fourth staffs typeset as voices using the the Staffs->Voices-
> > > > Staff 
> > > >           
> > > to Voice command.
> > > Then use the Voice Preset commands (Staffs/Voices->Voices menu) to
> > > set
> > > the stem directions for each voice.
> > > Use the Staffs/Voices->Staff Groupings menu to set Choir staff
> > > brace
> > > start on the first staff and end brace on the last.
> > > Note there a template for this (see Open -> Standard Template), and
> > > in
> > > Open -> Example there is a file showing how to typeset lyrics above
> > > an
> > > below the staffs for the four parts."
> > >
> > > And I see that the template referred to is actually missing - I've
> > > added it now (and I attach it here in case it is your particular
> > > use-
> > > case).
> > >
> > > > It is very hard to follow something if you don't know what the
> > > > actual
> > > > output is supposed to be!
> > > >           
> > > yes - the assumption there is that someone reading "SATB on two
> > > staffs"
> > > would have a picture in their mind of two staffs one with the
> > > soprano
> > > and alto parts and the other with the tenor and bass. Even so,
> > > reading
> > > the section "Some Terminology" at the start of the manual (F1 key
> > > in
> > > Denemo) would be required to make sense of the instructions - the
> > > use
> > > of "staff" and "voice" is not obvious.
> > >
> > > On the plus side, asking on this mailing list about how to do
> > > things is
> > > profitable, and user-contributed tutorials would be most welcome :)
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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