Re: Gorm too complex ?

[Stéphane PERON]

Hi !

You are right Richard ... I need to know how appkit works to critize Gorm.

However ... I am sure that today many people don't use Gorm because Gorm can 
not do exactly they need.

So, they are forced to program with other tools.
IHMO, I think before Gorm provide all we all need, and so could be usuable for 
all of us, gorm should provide an option to generate files in other than a 
.gorm file (I mean in a .m and .h).

In this manner, we could begin to program with and after program thinks that 
are not providen by hand...
Personnaly, if these functionnality exists, I use Gorm right now !

What do you think about ?

Stef

On 2002-02-09 20:54:01 +0000 Richard Frith-Macdonald <richard@brainstorm.co.uk> 
wrote:

> Second answer :-)
> 
> On Sunday, February 10, 2002, at 01:34 AM, Stéphane PERON wrote:
> 
> 
> > I have read Pierre-Yves 's tutorial but I'm frankly astonished by the 
> > complexity of such a tool.Can you give any examples of what you think is 
> > too complex?
> 
> 
> 
> > Is there any possiblity to generate only a simple .m and .h for one 
> > additionnal 
> > panel ?That's not what Gorm is for ... it's a primarily tool for putting 
> > together gui user interfaces
> in a very quick and easy manner without needing to do any (or at least 
> minimal) coding.
> 
> 
> > Really I don't care about creating the whole project with. So I don't want 
> > to 
> > use projet center.
> 
> > I only want something that allow me to draw panels quicky ...with something 
> > more intuitive like :How could it let you draw a panel quicker than 
> > dragging it of the palette?
> 
> 
> 
> > I create one panel with graphics objects and then I generate my .m and .h 
> > with 
> > the command "generate classes" with the minimum clicks.Why do you want to 
> > generate classes?   If you just want to save a panel to be used in your app,
> you would click the 'Save' option  in Gorm ... but that produces an archived 
> panel in a .gorm
> file, rather than .[mh] files.  You then add a couple of lines of code to 
> your app to load the
> file when you want it.
> 
> 
> > Does any one used "Ilog Views"  or similary RAD ?
> 
> > With such tools, no documentation is needed when you know objects 
> > programmation 
> > bases.I've never found a software development tool where no documentation 
> > is needed.
> 
> With Gorm (and the original InterfaceBuilder), I think the main concepts 
> needing explanation
> are conecting to 'FilesOwner' and 'FirstResponder', and an example of loafing 
> a nib (.gorm)
> file.  Apart from that you need some understanding of how the AppKit works, 
> in particular
> the target-action paradigm, in order to make effective use of the components 
> available.
> 
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