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Zimran Ahmed <address@hidden> wrote:
> 2) Security -- will Microsoft be able to keep my data secure? (their
> security has been substandard in the past)
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GREAT idea!!!
I think a good starting point for building this would be to use
Faq-O-Matic (see http://faqomatic.sourceforge.net/fom-serve/cache/1.html
for info).
I can install Faq-O-Matic using the URL http://faq.dotgnu.org/
under the 'dotgnu' user ID on my server, and give you access to
that user ID so that you can modify the scripts if/when desired.
(The advantage of using http://faq.dotgnu.org/ instead of
http://dotgnu.org/faq/ is that if we ever want to have the FAQ
system on a server which is different from the server or servers
which host the main DotGNU website, that can be done with an
URL like http://faq.dotgnu.org/ without using any redirects. If
we succeed in making DotGNU a real success, the DotGNU website
will gert so much traffic that it will have to be spread across
several servers.)
Alternatively, if you prefer to put the DotGNU FAQ system on
SourceForge, I can simply set up a redirect from http://faq.dotgnu.org/
to the URL at SourceForge.
What do you think?
-- NB.
> such as a dotGNU FAQ?
>
> I always agree with simplicity, but at the moment there are many things to
> discuss, discover, and decide.. I am thinking about something that could
> control the flow of a logical decision making process to build that
> FAQ--something functional, not necessarilly pretty in this initial stage..
>
> --Matthew
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> > address@hidden wrote:
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> > > I can start construction of a site and link it up with a SourceForge
> account
> > > for the mailing lists and CVS repository... What are you thinking more
> > > specifically? I am ready to work.
> >
> > I was not thinking of a technically sophisticated
> > website... just a place on the web where you can always find
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> > Greetings, Norbert.
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Hi, I'm Grant Gross, managing editor of the open
source news site, NewsForge.com, and I'm working on a
story about open source/free software alternatives to
Microsoft's .Net and Hailstorm.
Myrddian suggested I send my questions to the mailing
list, so here it goes. Some of the questions are
pretty elementary, but I hope your answers will expand
on the documentation I've seen.
1. Where will DotGNU compete with the Microsoft .Net
and Hailstorm products? What will DotGNU do that those
products also want to do?
2. Where does DotGNU go beyond those Microsoft
products? Will Microsoft offer services that DotGNU
does not?
3. How'd the project get started? Where is it at it
terms of a useable product?
4. What do you guys think of Microsoft's .Net and
Hailstorm efforts?
5. How many people are working on the project?
That's a start. I'll probably have more questions
after you've answered these.
Thanks,
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The only problem with this, is that it isn't true. DNS isn't really
non-centralized. Remember, someone controls those Root nameservers, and
if you have ever had dealings with those people, you would know that they
can be a real pain to deal with. Secondarily, some company controls
those root name servers, do you want the the same things for this? I sure
don't. I think we need to look beyond using DNs as our metaphor, and
find or create a new meaphor for this work.
Thoughts?
Matthew M. Copeland
> Q: In what ways is the DotGNU framework inspired by the DNS system?
>
> A: In the DNS system, the information is stored in a non-centralized
> manner all over the internet. Everyone is free to operate one or
> more DNS servers. This is in strong contrast to Microsoft's
> "Passport" system, where all authentication and personal
> identify information is stored in servers controlled by Microsoft.
> In the DotGNU system, everyone who wants can operate an
> authentication/personal identity server, and all users can freely
> choose which authentication/personal identity server(s) they
> want to trust with their information.
>
> Another very interesting aspect of the DNS system is how a high
> degree of reliability can be achieved inexpensively by making
> the same information available from several servers on
> different network segments.
>
> Greetings, Norbert.
>
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Hello, Adam Theo here;
i just wish to say i recently signed up to this list out of curiosity,
and have been lurking for a few days. also like to say hi to norbert
bollow, who i saw on the list. good to see you again.
i was wondering, what is the goal and purpose of the .GNU project? is it
to 'counter' MS's .NET system, which is the distributed computing and
using applications scattered around the internet as if they were on your
local computer (well, basically)? or is the .GNU to create an alternate
Identity and Web Services framework, which is having one account for
everything on the internet, not being having to fill in form after form
just to sign up for Google Groups or buy some books from Amazon.com?
are there any documentations that i can look at on this .GNU?
and i was also wondering, how many people are there participating in
.GNU so far? thank you for your time.
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I'm neither the project leader nor an official spokesperson,
but I can't resist the urge to say something :)
> 1. Where will DotGNU compete with the Microsoft .Net
> and Hailstorm products?
In all areas.
Just like it's the goal of the GNU project to create a complete
operating system that makes it completely unneccessary to use a
non-free operating system like e.g. Microsoft Windows, it's the
goal of the DotGNU project to be a complete competitor to
Microsoft's ".Net initiative" and "Hailstorm" products.
The DotGNU project will compete with Microsoft for end-users,
business customers and developers.
Microsoft Windows had a huge head start over GNU/Linux in terms
ot user-friendlyness to end users. In spite of Microsoft's vast
resources, GNU/Linux is already better than Microsoft Windows in
some areas, and catching up fast in most others.
I believe that the same kind of success story is possible with
the DotGNU project. The main difference is that this time,
Microsoft doesn't have such a big head start.
> What will DotGNU do that those products also want to do?
Deliver the same and better benefits to end users and business
customers (but avoid giving any single company any monopoly-like
power over the system).
> 2. Where does DotGNU go beyond those Microsoft
> products? Will Microsoft offer services that DotGNU
> does not?
The DotGNU project will use good ideas from Microsoft as a
source of inspiration, and Microsoft will probably also use
good ideas from the DotGNU project as a source of inspiration.
The big difference is that there is a single company (Microsoft)
in the center of the universe of the ".Net initiative" and
"Hailstorm" products, while the DotGNU project creates a
framework where anyone who wants can offer every service.
For example, with DotGNU every Internet Service Provider (ISP)
can offer the equivalent of Microsoft's "Passport" service,
and the ISP can customize and modify this service according to
their customers' needs.
> 3. How'd the project get started? Where is it at it
> terms of a useable product?
The project has started out of concern that Microsoft could
possibly obtain an effective monopoly on some aspects of
internet commerce. No programming work that is specific to
the DotGNU project has been done yet, but in many areas there is
some high-quality Free Software already that can be adapted to
meet the needs of the DotGNU project.
There is an intensive discussion of basic strategic and design
issues right now on the FreeDevelopers mailing list. (Did you
know that the DotGNU project is an official project of
FreeDeveloper.Net ?) Many highly competent people participate
in this discussion (for example Richard M. Stallman).
I expect that from these discussions a core group of developers
will emerge who will agree on a specific vision for DotGNU and go
forward with implementing it.
Right now is an excellent opportunity for every programmer /
software developer who cares about matters of Freedom to get
involved right from the beginning in a truly important project.
> 4. What do you guys think of Microsoft's .Net and
> Hailstorm efforts?
Dangerous stuff. It is often said that the price of freedom is
eternal vigilance. Unless we counter them, Microsoft's efforts
are not only a threat to Free Software, they are also extremely
dangerous tools in the hands of any Evil Government that wants
to make their citizens unfree.
> 5. How many people are working on the project?
As I said, implementation work hasn't started yet.
Greetings, Norbert.
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My copy of pine on the sdf shell responds oddly to mail. I accidentally
sent this to Norbert only, but I'm forwarding it to the list. Sorry for
the confusion, I rarely use pine these days.
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I hate being a "yes man" - but you've pretty much summed it up there. I
didn't have time to respond last night, but you said everything that's on
my mind.
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Norbert Bollow wrote:
> I'm neither the project leader nor an official spokesperson,
> but I can't resist the urge to say something :)
>
> > 1. Where will DotGNU compete with the Microsoft .Net
> > and Hailstorm products?
>
> In all areas.
>
> Just like it's the goal of the GNU project to create a complete
> operating system that makes it completely unneccessary to use a
> non-free operating system like e.g. Microsoft Windows, it's the
> goal of the DotGNU project to be a complete competitor to
> Microsoft's ".Net initiative" and "Hailstorm" products.
>
> The DotGNU project will compete with Microsoft for end-users,
> business customers and developers.
>
> Microsoft Windows had a huge head start over GNU/Linux in terms
> ot user-friendlyness to end users. In spite of Microsoft's vast
> resources, GNU/Linux is already better than Microsoft Windows in
> some areas, and catching up fast in most others.
>
> I believe that the same kind of success story is possible with
> the DotGNU project. The main difference is that this time,
> Microsoft doesn't have such a big head start.
>
> > What will DotGNU do that those products also want to do?
>
> Deliver the same and better benefits to end users and business
> customers (but avoid giving any single company any monopoly-like
> power over the system).
>
> > 2. Where does DotGNU go beyond those Microsoft
> > products? Will Microsoft offer services that DotGNU
> > does not?
>
> The DotGNU project will use good ideas from Microsoft as a
> source of inspiration, and Microsoft will probably also use
> good ideas from the DotGNU project as a source of inspiration.
>
> The big difference is that there is a single company (Microsoft)
> in the center of the universe of the ".Net initiative" and
> "Hailstorm" products, while the DotGNU project creates a
> framework where anyone who wants can offer every service.
> For example, with DotGNU every Internet Service Provider (ISP)
> can offer the equivalent of Microsoft's "Passport" service,
> and the ISP can customize and modify this service according to
> their customers' needs.
>
> > 3. How'd the project get started? Where is it at it
> > terms of a useable product?
>
> The project has started out of concern that Microsoft could
> possibly obtain an effective monopoly on some aspects of
> internet commerce. No programming work that is specific to
> the DotGNU project has been done yet, but in many areas there is
> some high-quality Free Software already that can be adapted to
> meet the needs of the DotGNU project.
>
> There is an intensive discussion of basic strategic and design
> issues right now on the FreeDevelopers mailing list. (Did you
> know that the DotGNU project is an official project of
> FreeDeveloper.Net ?) Many highly competent people participate
> in this discussion (for example Richard M. Stallman).
>
> I expect that from these discussions a core group of developers
> will emerge who will agree on a specific vision for DotGNU and go
> forward with implementing it.
>
> Right now is an excellent opportunity for every programmer /
> software developer who cares about matters of Freedom to get
> involved right from the beginning in a truly important project.
>
> > 4. What do you guys think of Microsoft's .Net and
> > Hailstorm efforts?
>
> Dangerous stuff. It is often said that the price of freedom is
> eternal vigilance. Unless we counter them, Microsoft's efforts
> are not only a threat to Free Software, they are also extremely
> dangerous tools in the hands of any Evil Government that wants
> to make their citizens unfree.
>
> > 5. How many people are working on the project?
>
> As I said, implementation work hasn't started yet.
>
> Greetings, Norbert.
>
> --
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Hey all,
I dont know how many of you have written an RFC or ported an
RFC, I havent.
I still see discussion takign place outside this mailing list,
I would like to see more of that happening here, and raising more
ideas here than in FreeDevelopers or via privte E-mail.
Well I propose we write a full doco, although this has been mentioned
before, I have not gotten either a postive or negative responce to this.
So once again I will make another push for it. Why write doco this early
it makes it easier to know what we are doing.
Any how here is a list of ideas that could be covered.
Section 1. Should be short introduction about this project
Section 2. Details of each component of the project.
I. Verification Systems.
II. Libraries and Function Calls
III. Byte-code and the Run time Enviroment
IV. Remote Objects, Distributed Systems, or basic infrastructure
Section 3. Optional components
Well, if you feel that you can contribute to either of these topics
please do so. I know some of you have ideas on how the "DNS-like"
Authentication could/can work so iw ould like your ideas written down
I will write what I can, and post them when I finish them. Hopefully
once we have it all down we can easily go and implement what we have
decided upon.
Good luck.
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> I dont know how many of you have written an RFC
I have contributed a little to RFC2821 (the revision of the SMTP
spefication).
> Well I propose we write a full doco, although this has been mentioned
> before, I have not gotten either a postive or negative responce to this.
I'd propose we should have a dynamic document using Faq-O-Matic
(see http://faqomatic.sourceforge.net/fom-serve/cache/1.html for
info), and also a plain text document. The plain text document
should (after every revision) be published as an "Internet
Draft", and become an informational RFC when it has stabilized.
> So once again I will make another push for it. Why write doco
> this early it makes it easier to know what we are doing.
And also communicate with developers who can maybe be convinced
to join the project.
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You should all continue doing what you were doing before my email. We should
not lose momentum on this project, while we work out some minor issues. RMS has
already said that this project will be part of GNU one or other. My concern was
only making statements to the press prematurely. Internally, we should go full
steam.
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> I have contributed a little to RFC2821 (the revision of the SMTP
> spefication).
Cool :)
> > Well I propose we write a full doco, although this has been mentioned
> > before, I have not gotten either a postive or negative responce to this.
>
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> Draft", and become an informational RFC when it has stabilized.
Uhmm if we write up a Specification for DotGNU we should not change it
all the time. Although it does make sence for initial drafts/etc.
> > So once again I will make another push for it. Why write doco
> > this early it makes it easier to know what we are doing.
>
> And also communicate with developers who can maybe be convinced
> to join the project.
Not to mention makes it easy to track what has/has not been done
for this project. To mention segment and divide labour, and most importantly
what is wanted and not wanted in the project.
Also makes it easier to back track..... I am trying to make this as close
to a Software engineering approach. This project is large and requires
of goals and easily verified steps, features...etc
I am working on something at the moment may take a while to write up something.
I know Matthew is also working on something but I dont know what he has written
yet.
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I think it would be very important to do some market research
right now. What functionality and benefits would the business
customers like to have? Would functionality would the end
users find cool?
How can we go about this?
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{{ I'm copying the FD list on this because I hope that there
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Here are four important areas that we may want to focus on
intially. Perhaps each should be a separate project.
DotGNU core platform
====================
DotGNU bytecode specification, DotGNU bytecode interpreter,
DotGNU bytecode->machine code compiler (may be based on gcc),
a compiler from a subset of one popular programming language
(perhaps Java?) to DotGNU bytecode.
DotGNU secure execution environment
===================================
Can download DotGNU bytecode (or other stuff for which an
emulation is available - that should include .NET stuff) from the
network and execute it in a secure manner.
DotGNU distributed execution environment
========================================
Like an operating system for a "distributed computer" consisting
of several instances of the "DotGNU secure execution environment"
that are running on several computers. This system must be able
to take care of replicating databases across all the parts of
this "distributed computer" and propagating updates.
DotGNU virtual identities server
================================
Something that gives end-users a lot of convenience in filling
out registration forms etc, while at the same time giving the
end-user full control about what data will be supplied.
The part with the distributed execution environment is
especially tricky, and these difficulties will to a large extent
shape how the core platform and secure execution environment
need to be designed.
Suppose the "distributed computer" temporarily breaks into
two parts due to network problems, then each part should be able
to proceed on its own. Now when the network connection is
restored, there will be conflicting database transactions. They
must be detected and resolved.
This implies that every program which is run on the "distributed
computer" must log its transactions in a manner that allow it
to roll-back whatever it did and recompute its results when
notified by the distributed execution environment that at the
first time it did not have the proper data. (Such distributed
batabases are suitable for many applications which need high
availability, but they won't be suitable for applications were
the cost of transaction roll-back can be very high like e.g. in
real-time trading at a stock exchange).
The core system must be designed with goal of providing good
support for this transaction logging and roll-back functionality.
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{{ I'm copying the FD list on this because I hope that there
will be some interest in the idea of a "distributed computer"
(that should still function properly after temporay network
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Here are four important areas that we may want to focus on
intially. Perhaps each should be a separate project.
DotGNU core platform
====================
DotGNU bytecode specification, DotGNU bytecode interpreter,
DotGNU bytecode->machine code compiler (may be based on gcc),
a compiler from a subset of one popular programming language
(perhaps Java?) to DotGNU bytecode.
DotGNU secure execution environment
===================================
Can download DotGNU bytecode (or other stuff for which an
emulation is available - that should include .NET stuff) from the
network and execute it in a secure manner.
DotGNU distributed execution environment
========================================
Like an operating system for a "distributed computer" consisting
of several instances of the "DotGNU secure execution environment"
that are running on several computers. This system must be able
to take care of replicating databases across all the parts of
this "distributed computer" and propagating updates.
DotGNU virtual identities server
================================
Something that gives end-users a lot of convenience in filling
out registration forms etc, while at the same time giving the
end-user full control about what data will be supplied.
The part with the distributed execution environment is
especially tricky, and these difficulties will to a large extent
shape how the core platform and secure execution environment
need to be designed.
Suppose the "distributed computer" temporarily breaks into
two parts due to network problems, then each part should be able
to proceed on its own. Now when the network connection is
restored, there will be conflicting database transactions. They
must be detected and resolved.
This implies that every program which is run on the "distributed
computer" must log its transactions in a manner that allow it
to roll-back whatever it did and recompute its results when
notified by the distributed execution environment that at the
first time it did not have the proper data. (Such distributed
batabases are suitable for many applications which need high
availability, but they won't be suitable for applications were
the cost of transaction roll-back can be very high like e.g. in
real-time trading at a stock exchange).
The core system must be designed with goal of providing good
support for this transaction logging and roll-back functionality.
Greetings, Norbert.
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I will comment on this a little further in the various parts...
Norbert Bollow wrote:
> {{ I'm copying the FD list on this because I hope that there
> will be some interest in the idea of a "distributed computer"
> (that should still function properly after temporay network
> problems have resulted in a split) also among some of those who
> have not yet joined the address@hidden mailing list.
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> http://www.dotgnu.org/mailman/listinfo/developers }}
>
> Here are four important areas that we may want to focus on
> intially. Perhaps each should be a separate project.
>
>
> DotGNU core platform
> ====================
> DotGNU bytecode specification, DotGNU bytecode interpreter,
> DotGNU bytecode->machine code compiler (may be based on gcc),
> a compiler from a subset of one popular programming language
> (perhaps Java?) to DotGNU bytecode.
This is one area the FSF has already expressed a great deal of interest in,
perhaps as an expansion of KAWA for the runtime environment, and also
extending gcc to act as a bytecode to native compiler.
>
> DotGNU secure execution environment
> ===================================
> Can download DotGNU bytecode (or other stuff for which an
> emulation is available - that should include .NET stuff) from the
> network and execute it in a secure manner.
Secure manner could certainly include signed applications, but should be done
with existing tools, like gpg, rather than requiring a centralized certificate
authority. That way individual developers providing DotGNU applications can
easily sign for them, and the keys could be verified from a public key server.
>
> DotGNU distributed execution environment
> ========================================
> Like an operating system for a "distributed computer" consisting
> of several instances of the "DotGNU secure execution environment"
> that are running on several computers. This system must be able
> to take care of replicating databases across all the parts of
> this "distributed computer" and propagating updates.
>
> DotGNU virtual identities server
> ================================
> Something that gives end-users a lot of convenience in filling
> out registration forms etc, while at the same time giving the
> end-user full control about what data will be supplied.
It is important that information originate on individual user's machines and
can then migrate to higher levels at the sole discretion and control of the
user. Organizations (like companies) might aggregate such information locally
on their own "identity servers" for their workers. ISP's and national sites
could also provide information and authantication for consumers, but it must
all operate at the level the user chooses and should not demand or require a
single central repository of all authentication and user information. There
is no valid technical reasons for a single master authentication system.
>
>
> The part with the distributed execution environment is
> especially tricky, and these difficulties will to a large extent
> shape how the core platform and secure execution environment
> need to be designed.
>
> Suppose the "distributed computer" temporarily breaks into
> two parts due to network problems, then each part should be able
> to proceed on its own. Now when the network connection is
> restored, there will be conflicting database transactions. They
> must be detected and resolved.
>
> This implies that every program which is run on the "distributed
> computer" must log its transactions in a manner that allow it
> to roll-back whatever it did and recompute its results when
> notified by the distributed execution environment that at the
> first time it did not have the proper data. (Such distributed
> batabases are suitable for many applications which need high
> availability, but they won't be suitable for applications were
> the cost of transaction roll-back can be very high like e.g. in
> real-time trading at a stock exchange).
>
> The core system must be designed with goal of providing good
> support for this transaction logging and roll-back functionality.
>
> Greetings, Norbert.
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