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RE: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs.
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Drew Adams |
Subject: |
RE: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. |
Date: |
Mon, 15 Jun 2015 10:43:26 -0700 (PDT) |
> Despite what I wrote above, I don't see a need for this, it is
> going to be a PITA for quite a few individuals (even if they're
> a small fraction), so I'm basically +0 on it.
Yippee! For once I agree with an occurrence of Stephen's recurrent
"YAGNI" bray. *No need* for this change.
Beyond that, this change is at best a blunder. It should be reverted.
It is not just cosmetic.
> Just as some users dislike changes, possibly a lot, others dislike
> the status quo ante, possibly a lot. Why should a few reactionary
> curmudgeons :-) hold the progressives back?
Demagogy & pandering, despite the smily. Opposition to a particular
change, giving particular reasons, is not tantamount to knee-jerk,
reactionary opposition to change in general. For shame. We see this
kind of slight-of-hand charlatanism employed all too often - those
opposed to a purported innovation are branded as "afraid of change".
It is not about change vs no-change in general. It is about this
change.
For the same reason, though a superficial poll (of readers here
or of Emacs users) can tell us something, good arguments for and
against are generally more helpful.
> It used to be a Bad Thing[tm]. Now, modern VCS means that such
> changes can be made and reverted quickly (although not always
> effortlessly or without help of developers experienced in the
> software), so rather than poll, just give them what you think they
> need. If they don't like it, you revert. That method provides far
> more accurate assessments of user sentiment than polling in advance,
> and is less costly (unless you're stupid enough to make such a
> change in a late beta).
I'm not convinced. Momentum. Inertia.
And there is no good reason *not* to bring such matters up for
discussion first (here, for example), and that can include
discussion with users.
> Of course the proponents have to be cooperative. I know that Paul
> has a reasonably high opinion of his own opinions ;-), but I've also
> seen him revert patches for reasons of "general user taste", and with
> very little backtalk, on request.
Consider this one such request, by one user.
- Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., (continued)
Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Artur Malabarba, 2015/06/15
Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Ulrich Mueller, 2015/06/15
Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Stephen J. Turnbull, 2015/06/15
Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Richard Stallman, 2015/06/15
Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs., Paul Eggert, 2015/06/16