Re: [emacs-humanities] Paper Zettelkasten safety [was: Why Emacs-humanities?]

[Jean Louis]

* Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com> [2021-07-04 12:46]:
> Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
> 
> > Please send anonimized samples of your Org notes, like 2-3 of a
> > different type for review if possible.
> 
> See the attached.

Thanks for showing.

For me the formatting is what bothers me here. It is not any more
plain text, that is the clear disadvantage of Org mode, the reason I
have switched away.

I definitely agree on how you do it, just that structure is very much
impractical. 

> * DONE [#A] [book note] Ahrens [Sonke Ahrens] (2017) How to Take Smart Notes: 
> One Simple Technique to Boost Writing, Learning and Thinking – for Students, 
> Academics and Nonfiction Book Writers :FLAGGED:book:BOOKMARK:ATTACH:

For the above I can see you need tags, and priorities, types. Like
[book note]. There is double entry for author in the title and in
bibtex entry as well. 

All what you do with notes make so much sense. Rich properties help to
create easier location of various groups of items.

For the itemized lists as below, I prefer the formating as you may see
down:

Instead
=======

- Niklas Lunmann, german sociologist created the concept of slip-box 
(Zettlekasting).
- He did his PhD in 1 year and wrote a huge number of papers and books thanks 
to his method.
- The method allowed him to collect many ideas and never forget them. Moreover, 
he connected ideas together so that they were not buried and forgotten.
- He even complained that the major annoyance about his life is limited time - 
he had too many ideas.

Is maybe nicer this way?
========================

- Niklas Lunmann, german sociologist created the concept of slip-box
  (Zettlekasting).

- He did his PhD in 1 year and wrote a huge number of papers and books
  thanks to his method.

- The method allowed him to collect many ideas and never forget
  them. Moreover, he connected ideas together so that they were not
  buried and forgotten.

- He even complained that the major annoyance about his life is
  limited time - he had too many ideas.

> ****************** human memory capacity
> Humans cannot keep more than 7\pm{}2 truly random things in their short-term 
> memory. Some researchers even show that not more than  things.
> The usual way to remember larger bunches of things is grouping them together 
> by certain rule.
> This is why it is important to develop an understanding of things. Otherwise, 
> they will be forgotten before they come to long-term memory.
> This is why it is important to throw irrelevant things quickly out of head. 
> Otherwise, they will keep repeating in the head or forgotten, thus taking a 
> part of our attention (which is also a limited resource).
> cite:ahrens2017take
> ****************** END

The above structure I don't understand, not the contents which I
understand, like this: *********** does it mean it is what? Headings
or part of headings? Is it Zettelkasten stuff?

> #bash #variable #parts #length #replace #substring #default

I don't really think tags should have a hash, the hash is
representation method, the tag should be separate from a
hash. Including I think tag should have capacity to have spaces and
have upper case letters or anything inside, including it could be
emoji, as it makes so much sense to have emoji as tags.

Thanks for showing.

My summary on your notes:

- you are way to advanced, your Org mode is not any more plain text;

- yes, you better have a database backed system;

My visible headings are in form of list as here below:
------------------------------------------------------

 35585 Technology Template Project OHS Framework as Org file, Org, COMPLETED
 34972 Cherytree - hierarchical note taking application with rich text and, WWW 
         
 35623 OneModel - Record, manage and share any knowledge: fast, free and open 
WWW          

Though numbers are not used often, they could be even eliminated and
shown by need.

Then I have key binding `i' for info, to see the entry, inside of it,
I can see tags.

Example when I press `i'

> #+TITLE: Technology Template Project OHS Framework as Org file \\
> #+TITLE: Hyperscope ID: 35585
> #+AUTHOR: Harvey Lehtman, Doug Engelbart, and Christina Engelbart
> TAGS:  org org-mode ohs engelbart 

> * Introduction

> Source: https://www.dougengelbart.org/content/view/110/460/

> The technology template is a  hierarchy of characteristics of an *Open

The line with "TAGS: " has clickable links to tags, if I click on any
of them I get other related items. The #+TITLE lines are automatically
generated. AUTHOR is automatically generated from the note properties.

If I press `E' I go into editing of note properties, and it lookas
following, though long text is truncated, it is tabulated list mode
which contains similar structure like you have in Org mode. I can
convert this structure to Org mode.

Each object has its ID.

If there is a referenced object like: `Type "Org"' below then I can
press `J' for jump to jump to that referenced object, view it or edit
it, and come back with `q' for quit. C-u J would bring me into the
list of all referenced types, I would see not only Org, but Asciidoc,
Markdown, etc, and could review the list, edit objects, press `q' and
come back to this below screen and maybe change Type to something
else. Larger lines below are truncated, they are shown in this list,
but edited only when I press `e'.

                   ID   35585
         Date created   "2020-12-01 15:08:50.824446+03"
        Date modified   "2021-06-27 20:56:44.169233+03"
         User created   "maddox"
        User modified   "maddox"
               Status   "Default"
                 Date   nil
           Expiration   nil
              Curator   nil
                 Type   "Org"
             Sub-type   "Default"
                 Name   "Technology Template Project OHS Framework as Org file"
            Hyperlink   ""
            Arguments   nil
          Description   ""
                 Text   "#+AUTHOR: Harvey Lehtman, Doug Engelbart, and 
Christina Engelbart #+DATE: Version 2 • 28-Jan-98  * Introduction  Source: 
https://www.dougengelbart.org/content/view/110/460/  The technology template is"
 Internal information   ""
            Parent ID   "TECHNOLOGY TEMPLATE PROJECT OHS Framework "
               Author   nil
           Permission   "Default"
             Revision   nil
      Number of pages   nil
             Language   nil
            File size   nil
          Time length   nil
                Width   nil
               Height   nil
                 Hash   nil
        GPG Signature   nil
                Pages   nil
              Account   nil
              Contact   nil
             Business   nil
          Opportunity   nil
             Priority   100
          Author Name   "Harvey Lehtman, Doug Engelbart, and Christina 
Engelbart"
           Properties   nil
      Emacs Lisp Hash   nil
            Publisher   nil
     Related to group   nil
    Assigned to group   nil
  Assigned to contact   nil
                 Rank   13
               Active   t
        Action status   "COMPLETED"
      Global priority   100000
         Related URIs   nil
             Template   nil
                 Area   nil
      Publishing type   nil
                 Slug   nil
              License   nil
            File type   nil
               Report   nil
               Tokens   "'-1':2735 '-1024':2868 '-2':2805 '-3':2849 
'-3223':2862 '-5':2772,2801,2830 '-97':2895 '-98':28,2898 '..':1336 
'/content/view/110/460/':33 '03':2893 '07':2896 '1':2800 '132811':2795,2846 
'1962':2886 '"
   Temporary Document   nil
  Override Major Mode   nil
          Minor Modes   nil
      Related country   nil


-- 
Jean

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