Re: [O] How to move up/down a headline but not the subtree?

[Neil Jerram]

address@hidden writes:

> Neil Jerram writes on Thu  5 Jul 2018 11:46:
>
>  > > What I would like to do is to be able to move a headline with
>  > > everything up to (but not including) its first subheading.
>  > >
>  > > Does anyone know how to do that?  
>  > >
>  > > I am also interested in knowing if there are specific (deep?)
>  > > reasons why this seemingly basic operation, which I see as the
>  > > analogous of org-do-promote/demote and perform very often with
>  > > standard (but tedious) emacs editing commands, is not already
>  > > implemented.
>
>  > My view/guess: because the subheadings are an integral part of the
>  > content of the containing item.
>  > 
>  > Wouldn't you agree?  It seems to me like a fairly fundamental
>  > aspect of the Org model.
>
> Yes, but couldn't you raise the same argument about
> org-promote/demote?

Fair point.

>  > That said, perhaps your use case is one where you've realized that
>  > subheadings don't actually belong to the containing item?  In that
>  > case, what could make more sense is to promote (or kill and yank
>  > elsewhere) all of the wrongly placed subheadings.  You could
>  > promote an individual subheading with M-S-left, or kill and yank it
>  > with C-c C-x C-w and C-c C-x C-y, but I don't know if there's an
>  > easy way to repeat that over all subheadings.
>  > 
>  > Another possible approach: what about demoting just the containing
>  > heading with M-left and then killing/yanking that elsewhere?
>
> My use case is after I have not too carefully written down many ideas.
> Then I start thinking and try to order them in a better way.  All what
> you suggest is very sensible but much longer than the command I am
> looking for.

FWIW, I just experimented.  This seems to work:

  M-right M-right M-right M-right M-right C-c C-x C-w

  move to new destination

  C-c C-x C-y

and is pretty fast.

> Thanks much for you time.
> a.

No problem, it's an interesting question.

    Neil