Re: [BUG] org-element-at-point: Throw an error when not in org-mode [9.7-pre (release_9.6.15-1033-gd8586f @ /home/marie/.emacs.d/straight/build/org/)]

[Marie-Helene Burle]

Hi Ihor,

Thank you for your reply and your explanations: very useful to learn how the 
system works 🙂

Prior to org 9.7, I used to use `org-meta-return` everywhere to nicely add 
elements to a list. Whether in mu4e, markdown, or anywhere, typing:

- item1 <org-meta-return>

Would nicely give me:

- item1
-

Not a big deal you will say. But I liked the behaviour.

I know that org functions (with the exception of `org-open-at-point-global` and 
maybe a few others intended to work everywhere) are only supposed to work in 
org buffers. But many functions actually used to work outside of org, even if 
that was never intended. I took advantage of that 😄

So, indeed, not a bug and probably nothing you want to worry about. I'll just 
have to learn to live without those nice little org behaviours in non-org 
buffers.

Note that the Reddit thread I linked in my prior email suggests that I am not 
the only one who took advantage of this. I don't know what org function that 
other user was using in non-org buffer, but it used to work and stopped in 9.7.

Deep thanks for all the work,

Best,

Marie

--
Marie-Helene Burle
Research Solutions Specialist
Research Computing | Simon Fraser University
Digital Research Alliance of Canada
https://www.sfu.ca/~msb2/


Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Marie-Helene Burle <mhburle@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> I suspect that this has already been reported as I saw it here: 
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/emacs-elpa-diffs@gnu.org/msg102743.html.
>
> This is just a reference to the commit that introduced the explicit
> error. Do note that the error got downgraded to a warning in a more
> recent development version of Org mode. But the warning still indicates
> inappropriate usage of Org functions that are designed to work in Org
> mode and expect Org mode buffer.
>
>> Just wanted to make sure it got to the right channel. Apologies for a
>> useless message if it already did.
>>
>> Noticed this problem with org 9.7. Used to be no problem with prior version.
>>
>> Also mentioned in 
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/18gkx0i/orgelementatpoint_cannot_be_used_in_nonorg_buffer/.
>
>> In my case, I get the error when using `org-meta-return` in non-org buffers.
>
>> I then get either of these error messages:
>>
>> Warning (org-element): ‘org-element-at-point’ cannot be used in non-Org 
>> buffer
>> Warning (org-element): org-element--cache: Org parser error in <my-file>. 
>> Resetting.
>
> `org-meta-return' cannot be used in non-Org buffers. Just as the error
> states. May you please explain why you are trying to use Org mode
> command outside Org mode?
>
> Not a bug, although we can still discuss your use case.
> Canceled. (as a bug)