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[Free-announce] LIVE HUMAN ORGAN HARVESTING in Communist China

From: leshydonlop
Subject: [Free-announce] LIVE HUMAN ORGAN HARVESTING in Communist China
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:56:20 +1000

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by David Matas and David Kilgour
6 July 2006
Table of Contents
A. Introduction
B. Working methods
C. The allegation
D. Difficulties of proof
E. Methods of Proof
F. Elements of proof and disproof
1) A perceived threat
2) A policy of persecution
3) Incitement to hatred
4) Massive Arrests
5) Repression
6) The unidentified and the disappeared
7) Sources of transplants
8) Blood testing
9) Corpses with missing organs
10) A confession
11) Admissions
12) Waiting times
13) Incriminating Information on Websites
14) Victim interviews
15) Human rights violations generally
16) Financial considerations
17) Corruption
18) Legislation
G. Credibility of witnesses and investigators
H. Proposed further investigation
I. Conclusions
J. Recommendations
K. Commentary
L. Appendices
1) Letter of invitation from CIPFG
2) Biography of David Matas
3) Biography of David Kilgour
4) People interviewed
5) Letter to the Chinese embassy
6) Statements by the Government of China on Falun Gong
7) Physical persecution of the Falun Gong
8) Blood testing of Falun Gong prisoners
9) Unidentified Falun Gong in detention
10) Disappearances
11) AI's Records of Number of Executed Prisoners in China Each Year
12) Corpses with missing organs
13) Transcript of Interview
14) Transcripts of telephone investigations

A. Introduction
The Coalition to Investigate the Persecution of the Falun Gong in China 
(CIPFG), a 
nongovernmental organization registered in Washington, D.C. with a branch in 
Canada, by letter dated May 24, 2006 asked for our assistance in investigating
allegations that state institutions and employees of the government of People's
Republic of China have been harvesting organs from live Falun Gong 
killing the practitioners in the process. The request letter is attached as an 
to this report. Many of the friends of China, including us two, are concerned 
these allegations. In light of their seriousness, as well as our own commitment 
human dignity world wide, we accepted the request.
David Matas is an immigration, refugee and international human rights lawyer in 
private practice in Winnipeg. He is actively involved in the promotion of 
respect for human
rights as an author, speaker and participant in several human rights 
non-governmental organizations.
David Kilgour is a former member of Parliament and a former Secretary of State 
the Government of Canada for the Asia Pacific region. Before he became a
Parliamentarian, he was a Crown prosecutor. The biographies of both authors are
attached as appendices to this report.
B. Working Methods
We conducted our investigation independently from the CIPFG, the Falun Dafa
Association, any other organization, and any government. We sought to go to 
unsuccessfully, but would be willing to go even subsequently to pursue a second 
of the investigation if access to witnesses and institutions can be obtained. We
interviewed a number of different people listed in an appendix to this report 
as well 
as read extensively any information we could obtain relevant to our report. We 
not paid by anyone for this report but rather did this work as volunteers.

C. The Allegation
It is alleged that Falun Gong practitioners are victims of live organ harvesting
throughout China. The allegation is that organ harvesting is inflicted on 
Falun Gong practitioners at a wide variety of locations, pursuant to a 
systematic policy, in
large numbers. Organ harvesting is a step in organ transplants. The purpose of 
organ harvesting is 
to provide organs for transplants. Transplants do not necessarily have to take 
place in 
the same place as the location of the organ harvesting. The two locations are 
different, organs harvested in one place are shipped to another place for 
The allegation is further that the organs are harvested from the practitioners 
they are still alive. The practitioners are killed in the course of the organ 
operations or immediately thereafter. These operations are a form of murder.
Finally, we are told that the practitioners killed in this way are then 
cremated. There 
is no corpse left to examine to identify as the source of an organ transplant.
The thought of such a practice occurring, particularly if it might be at the 
of a government, at the beginning of the 21st century when the value of 
human life is finally gaining more widespread respect, is most alarming. 
Accordingly, when 
one of the first in camera witnesses, a woman who is not a Falun Gong 
practitioner, met 
in the course of this inquiry said that her surgeon husband told her that he 
removed the corneas from approximately 2000 anaesthetized Falun Gong prisoners 
in northeast China during the two year period before October, 2003 ( at which 
time he
refused to continue), we were shaken. Much of what we have encountered since, 
as outlined in this report, has been almost equally disturbing.

D. Difficulties of proof
The allegations, by their very nature, are difficult either to prove or 
disprove. The 
evidence for proving any allegation is eye witness evidence. Yet for this 
crime, there is unlikely to be any eye witness evidence.
The people present at the scene of organ harvesting of Falun Gong 
practitioners, if 
it does occur, are either perpetrators or victims. There are no bystanders. 
the victims, according to, the allegation are murdered and cremated, there is 
no body 
to be found, no autopsy to be conducted. There are no surviving victims to tell 
happened to them. Perpetrators are unlikely to confess to what would be, if they
occurred, crimes against humanity. Nonetheless, though we did not get full scale
confessions, we garnered a surprising number of admissions through investigator
phone calls.
The scene of the crime, if the crime has occurred, leaves no traces. Once an 
harvesting is completed, the operating room in which it takes place looks like 
other empty operating room.
The clampdown on human rights reporting in China makes assessment of the
allegations difficult. China, regrettably, represses human rights reporters and
defenders. There is no freedom of expression. Those reporting on human rights
violations from within China are often jailed and sometimes charged with
communicating state secrets. In this context, the silence of human rights
non-governmental organizations on organ harvesting of unwilling Falun Gong
practitioners tells us nothing.
The International Committee of the Red Cross is not allowed to visit prisoners 
China. Nor is any other organization concerned with human rights of prisoners. 
That also 
cuts off a potential avenue of evidence.
China has no access to information legislation. It is impossible to get from the
Government of China basic information about organ transplants - how many 
transplants there are, what is the source of the organs, how much is paid for 
transplants or 
where that money is spent.
We did seek to visit China for this report. Our efforts went nowhere. We asked 
writing for a meeting with the embassy to discuss terms of entry. Our letter is 
attached as an appendix to this report. Our request for a meeting was accepted. 
But the 
person who met with David Kilgour was interested only in denying the 
allegations and not 
in arranging for our visit.

E. Methods of proof
We have had to look at a number of factors, to determine whether they present a
picture, all together, which make the allegations either true or untrue. None 
these elements on its own either establishes or disproves the allegations. 
Together, they
paint a picture.
Many of the pieces of evidence we considered, in themselves, do not constitute 
ironclad proof of the allegation. But their non-existence might well have 
The combination of these factors, particularly when there are so many of them, 
the effect of making the allegations believable, even when any one of them in 
might not do so. Where every possible element of disproof we could identify 
fails to
disprove the allegations, the likelihood of the allegations being true becomes
Proof can be either inductive or deductive. Criminal investigation normally 
deductively, stringing together individual pieces of evidence into a coherent 
The limitations our investigation faced placed severe constraints in this 
Some elements from which we could deduce what was happening were, 
nonetheless, available, in particular, the investigator phone calls.
We also used inductive reasoning, working backwards as well as forwards. If the
allegations were not true, how would we know it was not true? If the 
were true, what facts would be consistent with those allegations? What would 
the reality of the allegations, if the allegations were real? Answers to those 
sorts of
questions which helped us to form our conclusions.

F. Elements of proof and disproof
We considered any and all elements of proof and disproof which were available 
which might be available. Some evidentiary trails went nowhere. But we 
to follow them nonetheless.
1) Perceived threat
The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) came to see Falun Gong as a threat to its
monopoly of ideological power over China in the late 1990s. This perceived 
does not prove the allegations. Yet, if the Falun Gong were not seen as a 
threat to the
power of the CCP, the allegations would be undermined.
Falun Gong was founded in north eastern China in 1992 by Li Hongzhi. In the 
Li began practising qigong, a centuries-old system of breathing exercises - 
occasionally referred to as "Chinese yoga" - which was thought to improve 
health and spiritual
sensitivity. Qigong in all its variations was suppressed across the country in 
after the CCP seized office in Beijing, but the police state environment had 
become less
oppressive by the 1980s for qigong in all forms, including Falun Gong.
Falun Gong had at the time only recently been developed by Li and included 
elements of Confucianism, Buddhism and Taoism. In essence, it teaches methods 
meditation through exercises intended to improve physical and spiritual health 
and fitness. The
movement is not political and it followers seek to promote truth, tolerance and
compassion across racial, national and cultural boundaries. Violence is 
anathema to
Falun Gong adherents. Li registered his movement with the government's Qigong
Research Association and by the mid-nineties claimed to have approximately 60 
million practitioners. The Chinese Government's sports department itself 
estimated that 
there were 70 million adherents in 1999.
According to Professor Maria Hsia Chang's book, Falun Gong, published by Yale
University in 2004, "Reportedly, the middle-aged and those from the middle 
class comprised (Falun
Gong's) main following, although its ranks also included students and the 
as well as peasants. They came from all walks of life: teachers, physicians,
soldiers, CCP cadres, diplomats posted in foreign countries, and other
government officials. More than that, it was reported that among the followers 
Master Li were the spouses and family members of some of China's top officials,
including President Jiang, Premier Zhu and officials of the State Council, the
executive branch of government." 
Falun Gong was part of the explosion of religious activity that appeared in 
since the 1980s as "part of China's post-Mao 'spiritual vacuum' and the scaling 
back of 
the Party's ideological control of society..." 2 The popular appeal of Falun 
Gong in
particular was based in part on its commitment to integrate modern science with
Chinese traditions.
1 Professor Maria Hsia Chang's book, Falun Gong, published by Yale University, 
2 "Falun Gong and Canada's China policy". David Ownby, vol. 56, International 
Journal, Canadian Institute 
of International Affairs, Spring 2001.
Before Falun Gong was banned in July, 1999, its adherents gathered regularly in
China's myriad cities to do their exercises. As Chang notes, in Beijing alone 
were more than 2000 practice stations. China's Premier Zhu for one, she adds, 
to be pleased with the rising popularity of Li's movement because its positive 
consequences included reducing medical costs for practitioners, who were often
healthy. President Jiang himself was reported to have taken up qigong in 1992 by
inviting a member of Zhong Gong, a group which then claimed 38 million members, 
to treat him for arthritis and neck pains (By early 2000, however, Jiang's 
banned Zhong Gong as an "evil sect" and drove its leader out of China.).1
Jiang's personal confrontation with Falun Gong had begun to develop in 1996, 
Chang and many other observers conclude, when Li's book, Rotating the Law 
Wheel, sold
almost a million copies across China. This alerted nervous party leaders, 
Jiang, to the growing popularity of the movement. Fearing the possibility of 
revolt against the government, they banned the sale of China Falun Gong and 
others publications and encouraged disgruntled adherents to accuse Li of 
stealing from 
the public. Chang notes:
"Sensing that he and (Falun Gong) had fallen into disfavour - and reportedly at
the urging of authorities - Li emigrated to the United States in early 1998, 
he has since acquired permanent residence." 1
The non - violent phase of the campaign continued into May 1998, when a 
government television interviewer referred to Falun Gong as a "superstition". 
According to 
Chang's research, this resulted in about a hundred CCP party, government and 
retirees, who were adherents of Falun Gong, petitioning Jiang unsuccessfully to 
legalize it. 
The party later had an article published in a magazine (Science and Technology 
Youth), which singled out Falun Gong as a superstition and a health risk 
practitioners might refuse conventional medical treatments for serious 
illnesses. A large number 
of Falun Gong adherents demonstrated peacefully against the contents of the 
outside the Tianjin editor's office. When arrests and police beatings resulted, 
stage  was set for another act of protest in the national capital. 1
On April 25th, 1999, 10,000 - 16,000 ordinary Chinese citizens gathered from 
until late at night outside the CCP headquarters at Zhongnanhai next to 
Forbidden City. The participants included intellectuals, government officials 
party members. The protest was silent; there were no posters and not a single 
slogan or defiant thought was voiced. Chang: "On the day of the demonstration,
(Jiang) asked to be driven around Zhongnanhai in his limousine and stared at the
throng through the tinted windows. That night, clearly alarmed by the 
demonstration, he wrote the CCP Politburo to assure his colleagues that he 
believed 'Marxism can
triumph over Falun Gong'".1 The CCP's half century of monopolizing power in 
was suddenly in the personal view of its current leader in grave danger.
David Ownby, Director of the Centre of East Asian studies at the University of 
Montreal and a specialist in modern Chinese history, wrote candidly about what 
occurring in mid-2001 and earlier in a paper prepared five years ago for the 
Canadian Institute 
of International Affairs.2 Ownby observes that the "seemingly benign nature of 
Falungong in North America and its apparently 'evil' 
character in China might lead Canadians who are concerned about human rights
to look very carefully at the Chinese case against Falungong," Though Chinese 
leaders refer to Falun Gong as a "cult", Ownby notes that 
"there is little in their practice in Canada and the US that supports the idea 
that the group is a 'cult' in the general sense of the word. The 
Chinese government's
case against Falungong as a 'cult' can not be convincing unless the government
allows third party verification of its allegations of Falungong abuses in China.
China has essentially reacted out of fear of Falungong's ability to mobilize its

2) A policy of persecution
If organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners were widespread across China, 
one would expect some governmental policy directive to that effect. Yet, the 
secrecy of
policy formulation in China prevents us from determining whether such a policy 
Nonetheless, we do know that persecution of Falun Gong exists, as an official 
There are some very strong policy statements, attached as an appendix to this 
report, by the Government of China and the Communist Party of China, calling 
for the
persecution of the Falun Gong, including physical persecution. These statements 
are consistent with the allegations we have heard.
According to Li Baigen, then assistant director of the Beijing Municipal 
office who attended the meeting, during 1999 the three men heading the 610 
called more than 3000 officials to the Great Hall of the People in the capital 
to discuss the
campaign against Falun Gong, which was then not going well. Demonstrations 
were continuing to occur around the capital. The head of the 610 office, Li 
verbally announced the government's new policy on the movement: "defaming their
reputations, bankrupting them financially and destroying them physically." It 
appears to have been only after this meeting that the deaths of adherents at 
police hands
began to be recorded as suicides.
We were told by Falun Gong practitioners in Canada, that many of their members 
in China were told by law-enforcement officers in different parts of China that 
of Falun Gong members count as suicide, and they will be cremated directly".

3) Incitement to hatred
The Falun Gong in China are dehumanized both in word and deed. Policy 
are matched by incitement to the population at large both to justify the policy 
persecution, to recruit participants, and to forestall opposition. This sort of 
vocabulary directed against a particular group has become both the precursor 
and the hallmark 
of gross human violations directed against the group.

According to Amnesty International, the Chinese Government adopted three 
strategies to crush Falun Gong: violence against practitioners who refuse to 
renounce their
beliefs; "brainwashing" to force all known practitioners to abandon Falun Gong 
renounce it, and a more effective media campaign to turn public opinion against 
Falun Gong. 
The media campaign featured an incident on 23 January 2001 when five persons
declared to be Falun Gong practitioners by the government, including a 12 
girl and her mother, purportedly set themselves on fire in Tiananmen Square. 
The state
media repeatedly broadcast shocking images of the burning body of the girl and
material aimed at discrediting the group after the incident, reportedly 
public opinion about Falun Gong. There is considerable concern about whether in 
the government staged the entire incident.
Incitement to hatred is not specific enough to indicate the form that 
But it promotes any and all violations of the worst sort. It is hard to imagine 
allegations we have heard being true in the absence of this sort of hate 
Once this sort of incitement exists, the fact that people would engage in such 
behaviour against the Falun Gong - harvesting their organs and killing them in 
the process -
ceases to be implausible.

4) Massive Arrests
Despite the media campaign, hundreds of thousands of men and women travelled 
to Beijing to protest or to unfold banners calling for the group's legalization 
daily. Author Jennifer Zeng, formerly of Beijing and now living in Australia, 
confirms that 
she managed to acquire classified information that by the end of April 2001 
there had 
4 "Few Members of Large Sect to Face Trial, Beijing Says", The New York Times, 
December 2, 1999, or
"Failure admitted in crackdown", South China Morning Post, April 22, 2000 By 
Willy Wo-Lap Lam
approximately 830,000 arrests of Falun Gong adherents.
Large numbers of Falun Gong adherents in arbitrary indefinite secret detention 
alone do not prove the allegations. But the opposite, the absence of such pool 
of detainees,
would undermine the allegations. An extremely large group of people subject to 
exercise of the whims and power of the state, without recourse to any form of
protection of their rights, provides a potential source for organ harvesting of 
5) Repression
The crackdown on Falun Gong included President Jiang's creation of a special 
the 6-10 office 5 6, in every province, city, county, university, government 
and government-owned business to spearhead the attack. Jiang's mandate to the 
was to "eradicate" Falun Gong 6. This included sending thousands upon thousands 
of its
practitioners to prisons and labour camps beginning in the summer of 1999. The 
State Department's 2005 country report on China 7, for example, indicates that 
police run hundreds of detention centres, with the 340 
ones alone having a holding capacity of about 300,000 persons. The report also
indicates that the number of Falun Gong practitioners who died in custody 
estimated was from a few hundred to a few thousand.
The UN Special Rapporteur on Torture's recent report 8 noted that
5 Appendix 6, (June 7, 1999) "Comrade Jiang Zemin's speech at the meeting of 
the Political Bureau of 
CCCCP regarding speeding up the dealing with and settling the problem of 'FALUN 
7 U.S. Department of State 2005 Country Reports on Human Rights Practices - 
China, March 8, 2006.
8 U.N. Commission on Human Rights: Report of the Special Rapporteur on torture 
and other cruel, inhuman 
or degrading treatment or punishment, Manfred Nowak, on his Mission to China 
from November 20 to 
December 2, 2005 (E/CN.4/2006/6/Add.6), March 10, 2006. 
Add6.doc )
12 "Since 2000, the Special Rapporteur and his predecessors have reported 314
cases of alleged torture to the Government of China. These cases represent well
over 1,160 individuals." And "In addition to this figure, it is to be noted 
that one
case sent in 2003 (E/CN.4/2003/68/Add.1 para. 301) detailed the alleged ill
treatment and torture of thousands of Falun Gong practitioners."
Furthermore, the report indicated that 66% of the victims of alleged torture and
ill-treatment were Falun Gong practitioners, with the remaining victims 
Uyghurs (11%), sex workers (8%), Tibetans (6%), human rights defenders (5%),
political dissidents (2%), and others (persons infected with HIV/AIDS and 
members of religious groups 2%).
Local governments everywhere were given unlimited authority to implement 
Beijing's orders in 1999 and afterwards. This included numerous staged attempts 
later on to
demonstrate to China's population that practitioners committed suicide by 
selfimmolation, killed and mutilated family members and refused medical 
treatment. Over
time this campaign had the desired effect and many, if not most, Chinese 
clearly came to accept the CCP view about Falun Gong. Only later in 1999 did the
National People's Congress pass new laws targeting Falun Gong retroactively and
purporting to legalize a long list of illegal acts done against its members.
Part of a wire story from the Beijing bureau of the Washington Post fully two 
summers later (5 Aug 2001) 9 illustrates the severity of the ongoing methods of 
the 6-10 
office and other agents of the regime against Falun Gong practitioners:
"At a police station in western Beijing, Ouyang was stripped and interrogated 
five hours. 'If I responded incorrectly, that is if I didn't say, 'yes,' they 
me with the electric truncheon,' he said. Then, he was transferred to a labour
9 Washington Post Foreign Service, "Torture Is Breaking Falun Gong: China 
Systematically Eradicating 
Group," John Pomfret and Philip P. Pan, August 5, 2001. 
pagename=article&node=&contentId=A33055-2001Aug4 )
13 camp in Beijing's western suburbs. There, the guards ordered him to stand
facing a wall. If he moved, they shocked him. If he fell down from fatigue, they
shocked him..."
"(Later) he was taken before a group of Falun Gong inmates and rejected the
group one more time as the video cameras rolled. Ouyang left jail and entered
the brainwashing classes. Twenty days after debating Falun Gong for 16 hours a
day, he 'graduated'. 'The pressure on me was and is incredible,' he said. 'In 
past two years, I have seen the worst of what man can do. We really are the
worst animals on Earth.'"
Ownby noted that human rights organizations
"have unanimously condemned China's brutal campaign against the Falungong ,
and many governments around the world, including Canada's, have expressed
their concern." He cited Amnesty International's report of 2000 which noted that
77 Falun Gong practitioners had "died in custody, or shortly after release, in
suspicious circumstances since the crackdown began in July 1999." 2
6) The Unidentified and the disappeared
Falun Gong detentions, though in some ways it was just Chinese repression as 
usual with the Falun Gong being the unlucky targets, presented an unusual 
feature. Falun
Gong practitioners who had come from all over the country to Tiananmen Square in
Beijing to appeal or protest were arrested. Those who revealed their identities 
their captors would be shipped back to their home localities. Their families 
would be
implicated in their Falun Gong activities and pressured to join in the effort 
to get the
practitioners to renounce Falun Gong. Their workplace leaders, their 
their local government leaders would be held responsible and penalized for the 
fact that
these individuals had gone to Beijing to appeal or protest.
To protect their families and avoid the hostility of the people in their 
locality, many
detained Falun Gong declined to identify themselves. The result was a large 
Gong prison population whose identities the authorities did not know. As well, 
one who knew them knew where they were.
Though this refusal to identify themselves was done for protection purposes, it 
have had the opposite effect. It is easier to victimize a person whose 
is unknown to family members than a person whose location the family knows. This
population is a remarkably undefended group of people, even by Chinese 
This population of the unidentified was treated especially badly. As well, they 
moved around within the Chinese prison system for reasons not explained to the
Was this the population which became the source of harvested Falun Gong organs?
Obviously, the mere existence of this population does not tell us that this is 
so. Yet,
the existence of this population provides a ready explanation for the source of
harvested organs, if the allegations are true. Members of this population could 
disappear without anyone outside of the prison system being the wiser. 
Information about this population of the unidentified is attached as an 
appendix to this report.
In fact, there are many missing Falun Gong practitioners. An appendix to this 
sets out evidence of these disappearances. If every Falun Gong practitioner were
present and accounted for, the allegations with which we are faced would be 
But a person can go missing for a variety of reasons. Disappearances are a human
rights violation for which China should be held accountable. But they are not
necessarily this violation.
There is every reason to believe that the Government of China is responsible 
for the
disappearance of many Falun Gong practitioners. Those disappearances do not 
prove the allegations with which they are faced. But, like many of the other 
factors we
considered, they are consistent with those allegations.

7) Sources of transplants
There are many more transplants than identifiable sources. We know that some 
organs come from executed prisoners. Very few come from willing donor family 
But these sources leave huge gaps in the totals. The number of executed 
and willing sources come nowhere close to the number of transplants.
The number of executed prisoners is itself not public. We are operating only 
estimates attached as an appendix. Those estimates, when one considers global
execution totals, are immense, but nowhere near the estimated totals of 
At least 98% of the organs for transplants come from someone other than family
donors.10 In the case of kidneys, for example, only 227 of 40,393 transplants - 
about 0.6% - done between 1971 and 2001 in China came from family donors 11. 
nationals, for cultural reasons, are reluctant to donate their organs after 
There is no organized system of organ donation yet formed in China 12 10.
The government of China admitted to using the organs of executed prisoners only 
last year 13 14, although it had been going on for many years. The regime has 
had no
10 Life weekly, 
Archived page:
11 China Pharmacy 
Net, 2002-12-05
Archived page:
(2006-05-05, China Daily) English
Archived page:
13 "China to 'tidy up' trade in executed prisoners' organs," The Times, 
December 03, 2005,,25689-1901558,00.html
16 barriers to prevent marketing the organs of "enemies of the state".
According to AI's records 15, the average number of executed prisoners between 
1995 and 1999 was 1680 per year. The average between 2000 and 2005 was 1616 per 
The numbers have bounced around from year to year, but the overall average 
number for the periods before and after Falun Gong persecution began is the 
Executions cannot explain the increase of organ transplants in China since the 
persecution of 
Falun Gong began.
According to public reports, there were approximately 30,000 16 transplants in 
done in China before 1999 and about 18,500 16 17 in the six year period 1994 to 
1999. Professor Bingyi Shi, vice-chair of the China Medical Organ Transplant 
says there were about 90,000 18 in total up until 2005, leaving about 60,000 in 
the six 
yearperiod 2000 to 2005 since the persecution of Falun Gong began.
14 "Beijing Mulls New Law on Transplants of Deathrow Inmate Organs", 
Caijing Magazine/Issue:147, 
Nov 28 2005
15 Index of AI Annual reports:, from here one can select 
annual report of each year.
16 (China Biotech 
Information Net, 2002-12-02) (China Pharmacy Net, 
Archived page: (People's Daily, 
2004-09-07, from 
Xinhua News Agency)
17 "The Number of Renal Transplant (Asia & the Middle and Near East)1989-2000," 
Medical Net (Japan),
18 (Health Paper Net 
Archived page:
The other identified sources of organ transplants, willing family donors and 
brain dead, have always been tiny. In 2005, living-related kidney transplant 
consists of 
0.5% of total transplants national wide 19. The total of brain dead donors for 
all years and 
all of China is 9 up to March 2006 19 20. There is no indication of a 
significant increase 
in either of these categories in recent years. Presumably the identified 
sources of 
organ transplants which produced 18,500 organ transplants in the six year 
period 1994 to
1999 produced the same number of organs for transplants in the next six year 
period 2000 to 2005. That means that the source of 41,500 transplants for the 
six year 
period 2000 to 2005 is unexplained.
Where do the organs come from for the 41,500 transplants? The allegation of 
organ harvesting from Falun Gong practitioners provides an answer.
Again this sort of gap in the figures does not establish that the allegation of 
harvesting of organs from Falun Gong practitioners is true. But the converse, a 
full explanation 
of the source of all organ transplants, would disprove the allegation. If the 
source of 
all organ transplants could be traced either to willing donors or executed 
then the allegation aboutt the Falun Gong would be disproved. But such tracing 
Estimates of the executions of China are often much higher than the figures 
on publicly available records of executions. There is no official Chinese 
reporting on
overall statistics of executions, leaving totals open to estimation.
One technique some of those involved in estimating executions have used is the
STIGMATA", Abstract, The World Transplant Congress,
Zhonghua K Chen, Fanjun Zeng, Changsheng Ming, Junjie Ma, Jipin Jiang. 
Institute of Organ 
Transplantation, Tongji Hospital, Tongji Medical College, HUST, Wuhan, China.
20 , (Beijing Youth 
Daily, 2006-03-06)
number of transplant operations. Because it is known that at least some 
come from executed prisoners and that family donors are few and far between, 
some analysts have deduced from the number of transplants that executions have 
This reasoning is unpersuasive. One cannot estimate executions from transplants
unless executions are the only alleged source of transplants. Yet, Falun Gong
practitioners are another alleged source. It is impossible to conclude that 
practitioners are not a source of organs for transplants because of the number 
executions where the number of executions is deduced from the number of 
There appeared to be only 22 21 liver transplant centres operating across China 
before 1999, compared to fully 500 in mid - April, 2006 22 12. The number of 
transplant operations in all of China appeared to total 135 by 1998 11, 
contrasted with more 
than 4000 18 in 2005 alone. For kidneys, the pattern is also significant (3,596 
transplants in 1998 and nearly 10,000 18 in 2005).
The increase in organ transplants in China parallels the increase in 
persecution of 
the Falun Gong. These parallel increases, in themselves, do not prove the 
But they are consistent with the allegation. If the parallel did not exist, 
that hypothetical
non-existence would undercut the allegations.
8) Blood testing
We know that Falun Gong practitioners in detention are systematically blood 
(People's Daily Net and Union News Net, 2000-10-17). Archived at:
22 According to Deputy Minister of Health, Mr. Huang Jiefu, (Lifeweekly, 
2006-04-07). Archived at:
We have heard such a number of testimonials to that effect that this testing 
beyond a shadow of a doubt. Why is it happening?
The practitioners themselves are not told. It is unlikely that the testing 
serves a 
health purpose. For one, it is unnecessary to blood test people systematically 
simply as a
health precaution. For another, the health of the Falun Gong in detention is
disregarded in so many other ways. it is implausible that the authorities would 
blood test Falun Gong as a precautionary health measure.
Blood testing is a pre-requisite for organ transplants. Donors need to be 
with recipients so that the antibodies of the recipients do not reject the 
organs of the
The mere fact of blood testing does not establish that organ harvesting of 
Gong practitioners is taking place. But the opposite is true. If there were no 
blood testing,
the allegation would be disproved. The widespread blood testing of Falun Gong
practitioners in detention cuts off this avenue of disproof.
9) Corpses with missing organs
A number of family members of Falun Gong practitioners who died in detention
reported seeing the corpses of their loved ones with surgical incisions and 
parts missing. The authorities gave no coherent explanation for these mutilated 
Again the evidence about these mutilated corpses is attached as an appendix to 
We have only a few instances of such mutilated corpses. We have no official
explanation why they were mutilated. Their mutilation is consistent with organ
harvesting. We cannot even guess otherwise why these corpses would have been
mutilated and body parts removed.
10) A confession
We met one witness who said that her surgeon husband told her that he personally
removed the corneas from approximately 2,000 anaesthetized Falun Gong 
prisoners in
northeast China during the two year period before October, 2003, at which time 
refused to continue. The surgeon made it clear to his wife that none of the 
"donors" survived the experience because other surgeons removed other vital 
and all of their bodies were then burned. The woman is not a Falun Gong 
This confession is second hand. The women is not confessing something she did.
Rather she is relating a terrible admission her husband made to her.
The statement of this witness needs to be assessed for its credibility, 
this report does later. Here we can say that, if it can be believed, it 
establishes all on its
own the allegation.
11) Admissions
One of us has listened with a certified Mandarin-English interpreter to the 
recorded telephone conversations between officials and callers on behalf of the 
Falun Gong communities in Canada and the United States. Certified copies of the 
transcripts in Mandarin and English were provided to us. The accuracy of the
translations of the portions of them used in this report is attested to by the 
translator, Mr. C. Y., a certified interpreter with the Government of Ontario. 
certified that he had listened to the recording of the conversations referred 
to in this report 
and has read the transcripts in Chinese and the translated English version of 
conversations, and verifies that the transcripts are correct and translations 
The original recordings of the calls remain available as well. One of us met 
with two 
of the callers in Toronto on May 27th to discuss the routing, timing, 
accuracy of the translations from Mandarin to English and other features of the 
One of the callers, "Ms. M", who will not be identified to avoid risk of harm 
to family
members still in China and will be referred to hereafter as M, told one of us 
that in 
early March, 2006 she managed to get through to the Public Security Bureau in 
The respondent there told her that healthy and young prisoners are selected 
from the
prison population to be organ donors. If the candidates could not be tricked 
providing the blood samples necessary for successful transplants, the official 
on with guileless candour, employees of the office take the samples by force.
On March 18 or 19, 2006 M spoke to a representative of the Eye Department at the
People's Liberation Army hospital in Shenyang in north-eastern China, although 
was not able to make a full recorded transcript. Her notes indicate that the 
identifying himself as the department's Chief-Physician said the facility did 
cornea operations", adding that "we also have fresh corneas." Asked what that 
means, the Chief-Physician replied "...just taken from bodies".
At Army Hospital 301 in Beijing in April, 2006, a surgeon, who told M that she 
liver transplants herself, added that the source of the organs was a "state 
secret" and 
that anyone revealing the source "could be disqualified from doing such 
The second investigator for the World Organization to Investigate the 
of Falun Gong placed her calls from within the continental United States and 
hereafter be referred to as N. N telephoned approximately thirty hospitals, 
detention centres and courts across China and recorded a number of them 
admitting to the 
use of organs from Falun Gong practitioners. Her methods, translations and so 
on were 
noted by the one of us who met with her in Toronto on May 27th to have been 
done on 
a virtually identical basis as M and are thus accepted by both of us as 
representing what was said over the telephone. The same accredited translator 
worked on the texts of her recorded conversations.
Hospitals and Detention Centres Admissions in Telephone
Admission from Mishan Detention Centre:
On June 8, 2006, an official at the Mishan city detention centre, Heilongjiang
Province admitted that the centre then had at least five or six male Falun Gong
prisoners under 40 years-of-age available as organ suppliers. Mr. Li of the 
also gave details of the operation of selecting Falun Gong prisoners as organ
suppliers for hospitals:
1. This particular detention centre at the time picked the organ suppliers, not 
2. Chief-Physician Cui of the detention centre at the time of the conversation 
the point of contact for organ suppliers.
3. Blood will be drawn from the prisoners picked to become organ suppliers, and
such prisoners do not know the purpose of the blood test.
4. the detention centre has various means of obtaining blood samples from
reluctant "donors".
Shanghai's Zhongshan hospital:
A doctor at this hospital in mid-March of this year said that all of his organs
come from Falun Gong practitioners.
Qianfoshan hospital in Shandong:
A doctor at this hospital in March implied that he then had organs from Falun
Gong persons and added that in April there would be "more of these kinds of
Minzu hospital in Nanning city:
In May, Dr Lu of this hospital said organs from Falun Gong practitioners were
not available at his institution and suggested the caller call Guangzhou to get
them. He also admitted that he earlier went to prisons to select healthy Falun
Gong persons in their 30s to provide their organs.
Zhengzhou Medical University in Henan province:
In mid-March of this year, Dr Wang of this centre agreed that "we pick all the
young and healthy kidneys..."
Guangzhou Military region hospital:
Dr Zhu of this hospital in April of this year said he then had some type B 
from Falun Gong, but would have "several batches" before May 1 and perhaps
no more until May 20 or later.
Oriental Organ Transplant Centre:
Chief-Physician Song at this centre in mid-March this year volunteered that his
hospital had more than ten "beating hearts". The caller asked if that meant 
bodies" and Song replied, "Yes it is so."
Wuhan city Tongji hospital:
An official at this hospital two weeks later told the caller that "(i)t's not a
problem" for his institution when the caller said, "...we hope the kidney
suppliers are alive. (We're) looking for live organ transplants from prisoners, 
example, using living bodies from prisoners who practise Falun Gong, Is it
Detention Centres and Courts:
First Detention Centre of Qinhuangdao City
An official at this centre told the caller in mid-May this year that she should 
the Intermediate People's court to obtain Falun Gong kidneys.
Intermediate People's court
The same day, an official at the Intermediate People's court said they had no
Falun Gong live kidneys, but had had them in the past, specifically in 2001.
First Criminal Bureau of the Jinzhou people's court
In May of this year, an official in the court told the caller that access to 
Gong kidneys currently depended on "qualifications" of the organ seekers.
The map of China which follows indicates the regions where detention or hospital
personnel have made admissions to telephone investigators:
Most of the excerpted phone call texts are in an appendix. For illustration 
excerpts of three conversations follow:
(1)Mishan City Detention Centre, Heilongjiang province (8 June 2006):
M: "Do you have Falun Gong [organ] suppliers? ..."
Li: "We used to have, yes."
M: "... what about now?"
Li: "... Yes."
M: "Can we come to select, or you provide directly to us?"
Li: "We provide them to you."
M: "What about the price?"
Li: "We discuss after you come."
M: "... How many [Falun Gong suppliers] under age 40 do you have?"
Li: "Quite a few."
M: "Are they male or female?"
Li: "Male"
M: "Now, for ... the male Falun Gong [prisoners], How many of them do you
Li: "Seven, eight, we have [at least] five, six now."
M: "Are they from countryside or from the city?"
Li: "countryside."
(2) Nanning City Minzu Hospital in Guangxi Autonomous Region
(22 May 2006):
M: "...Could you find organs from Falun Gong practitioners?"
Dr. Lu: "Let me tell you, we have no way to get (them). It's rather difficult 
to get
it now in Guangxi. If you cannot wait, I suggest you go to Guangzhou
because it's very easy for them to get the organs. They are able to look
for (them) nation wide. As they are performing the liver transplant, they
can get the kidney for you at the same time, so it's very easy for them to
do. Many places where supplies are short go to them for help..."
M: "Why is it easy for them to get?"
Lu: "Because they are an important institution. They contact the (judicial)
system in the name of the whole university."
M: "Then they use organs from Falun Gong practitioners?"
Lu: "Correct..."
M: "...what you used before (organs from Falun Gong practitioners), was it
from detention centre(s) or prison(s)?"
Lu: "From prisons."
M: "...and it was from healthy Falun Gong practitioners...?"
Lu: "Correct. We would choose the good ones because we assure the quality
in our operation."
M: "That means you choose the organs yourself."
Lu: "Correct..."
M: "Usually, how old is the organ supplier?"
Lu: "Usually in their thirties."
M: "... Then you will go to the prison to select yourself?"
Lu: "Correct. We must select it."
M: "What if the chosen one doesn't want to have blood drawn?"
Lu: "He will for sure let us do it."
M: "How?"
Lu: "They will for sure find a way. What do you worry about? These kinds of
things should not be of any concern to you. They have their procedures."
M: "Does the person know that his organ will be removed?"
Lu: "No, he doesn't."
(3) Oriental Organ Transplant Centre (also called Tianjin City No 1 Central
Hospital),Tianjin City, (15 March 2006):
N: Is this Chief-Physician Song?"
Song: Yes, please speak."
N: Her doctor told her that the kidney is quite good because he [the
supplier,] practises ...Falun Gong."
Song: "Of course. We have all those who breathe and with heart beat...Up until
now, for this year, we have more than ten kidneys, more than ten such
N: "More than ten of this kind of kidneys? You mean live bodies?"
Song: "Yes it is so."
12) Waiting times
Hospital web sites in China advertise short waiting times for organ transplants.
Transplants of long dead donors are not viable because of organ deterioration 
death. If we take these hospital's self-promotions at face value, they tell us 
are a number of people now alive who are available almost on demand as sources 
The wait times for organ transplants for organ recipients in China appear to be 
lower than anywhere else. The China International Transplantation Assistant 
website says, "It may take only one week to find out the suitable (kidney) 
maximum time being one month..." 23. It goes further, "If something wrong with 
Archived page:
donor's organ happens, the patient will have the option to be offered another 
donor and have the operation again in one week." 24 The site of the Oriental 
Transplant Centre in early April, 2006, claimed that "the average waiting time 
suitable liver) is 2 weeks." 25 The website of the Changzheng Hospital in 
"...the average waiting time for a liver supply is one week among all the 
In contrast, the median waiting time in Canada was 32.5 months in 2003 and in 
Columbia it was even longer at 52.5 months 27. If as indicated the survival 
for a
kidney is between 24-48 hours and a liver about 12 hours 28, the presence of a 
bank of living kidney-liver "donors" must be the only way China's transplant 
assure such short waits to customers. The astonishingly short waiting times 
for perfectly- matched organs would suggest the existence of both a computer
matching system for transplants and a large bank of live prospective 'donors'.
The advertisements do not identify Falun Gong practitioners as the source of 
organs. But there are no other identified sources. Even if the Falun Gong as the
sources of these organs is only an allegation, it is the only allegation we 
have. No
other large body of people now alive have been identified to us as sources of 
sufficient in numbers to meet the large number of transplant demands now being 
and met in China.
24 Archived at:
25 The front page has been altered. The archived page is at:
26 Archived at :
27 Canadian Organ Replacement Register, Canadian Institute for Health 
 July 2005
28 Donor Matching System, The Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network 
13) Incriminating Information on Websites
Some of the material available on the websites of various transplant centres in 
before March 9, 2006 (when allegations about large-scale organ seizures 
resurfaced in
Canadian and other world media) is also inculpatory. Understandably, a good 
of it
has since been removed. So these comments will refer only to sites that can 
still be
found at archived locations, with the site locations being identified either in 
comments or as footnotes. A surprising amount of self-accusatory material is 
available as of the final week of June, 2006 to web browsers. We list here only 
(1) China International Transplantation Network Assistance Centre Website
( )
(Shenyang City)
This website as of May 17, 2006 indicated in the English version (the Mandarin 
evidently disappeared after March 9) that the centre was established in 2003 at 
First Affiliated Hospital of China Medical University "...specifically for 
Most of the patients are from all over the world." The opening sentence of the 
introduction declares that "Viscera (one dictionary definition: "soft interior
organs...including the brain, lungs, heart etc") providers can be found 
On another page 30 on the same site is this statement: "...the number of kidney
transplant operations is at least 5,000 every year all over the country. So many
transplantation operations are owing to the support of the Chinese government. 
29 The original page has been altered. Older versions with that specific 
statement can still be found at Internet
or use archived version at:
supreme demotic court, supreme demotic law - officer, police, judiciary, 
department of
health and civil administration have enacted a law together to make sure that 
donations are supported by the government. This is unique in the world."
In the 'question and answer' section of the site are found:
"Before the living kidney transplantation, we will ensure the donor's renal 
it is more safe than in other countries, where the organ is not from a living 
 "Q: Are the organs for the pancreas transplant(ed) from brain death (sic) 
"A: Our organs do not come from brain death victims because the state of the
organ may not be good." 32
(2)Orient Organ Transplant Centre Website
( )
(Tianjin City)
On a page which we were informed was changed in mid-April (but can still be 
as an archive 25) is the claim that from "January 2005 to now, we have done 647 
transplants - 12 of them done this week; the average waiting time is 2 weeks." 
also removed about the same time (but archive still available 33) indicates 
that from
virtually a standing start in 1998 (when it managed only 9 liver transplants) 
by 2005 
had completed fully 2248 34.
31 or use archived version:
32 or use archived version:
33 The front page has been altered. Archived at:
34 The front page has been altered. Archived at:
In contrast, according to the Canadian Organ Replacement Register 27, the total 
Canada for all kinds of organ transplants in 2004 was 1773.
(3)Jiaotang University Hospital Liver Transplant Centre Website
( )
In a posting on April 26, 2006 35, the sohu website says in part: "The liver 
cases (here) are seven in 2001, 53 cases in 2002, 105 cases in 2003, 144 cases 
2004, 147 cases in 2005 and 17 cases in January, 2006," .
(4) Website of Changzheng Hospital Organ Transplant Centre, affiliated with No. 
Military Medical University
A page was removed after March 9, 2006. (Internet Archive page is available 
contains the following graph depicting the number of liver transplant each year 
35 Archived at:
36 The URL of the removed page as of March 2005 in the Internet Archive is
In the "Liver Transplant Application" form 37, it states on the top, 
"...Currently, for 
liver transplant, the operation fee and the hospitalisation expense together is 
200,000 yuan ($66,667 CND), and the average waiting time for a liver supply is 
week among all the patients in our hospital...."
14) Victim interviews
We conducted a number of interviews with victims of Falun Gong repression in 
who now reside in Canada. These interviews revealed activities by the 
which, while inconclusive in isolation, in context with everything else we 
were corroborative and consistent with the allegations.
(1) Ms. Yuzhi Wang, Vancouver
One of us met with the Ms. Wang in Toronto on May 27th at a location at the 
of Toronto and heard her deeply disturbing personal history. For being a Falun 
practitioner and therefore suddenly "an enemy of the people" only as of 
spent most of her time between 2000 and the end of 2001 in labour camps, with 
37 , Archived at :
persons squeezed into a cell of approximately 15 square metres. By late 2001, 
death from various forms of torture over a lengthy period for refusing to give 
up her
beliefs, she was sent to hospital for "treatment", which included approximately 
months of forced feeding after she began a hunger strike in desperation and more
beatings by thugs from the 6-10 office.
In Harbin, Wang was examined thoroughly at several hospitals, and the examining
doctors indicated that she had organ damage. Later, when she overheard a doctor 
that she would not recover, the 610 office personnel "suddenly lost interest in 
and I
(eventually) managed to escape from the hospital." When in time her health
recovered, she found a way to relocate to a country in the Middle East, but 
6-10 agents attempted to kidnap her because she was criticizing the Jiang 
tourists visiting there from China. Wang gives much credit to Canadian 
officials there for intervening and enabling her to come to Canada as a 
refugee. She 
convinced that she survived only because her captors in Harbin concluded they 
not profit by selling her organs, which they concluded were damaged by their
(2) Mr. Xiaohua Wang, Montreal
On meeting Mr. Wang on May 27th, he provided a detailed statement of his 
persecution by officials during 2001 and 2002. It began when police arrested 
him at 
Kunming city design institute where he worked as an engineer, ransacked his 
stole his computer, and took him to prison. His wife and two-year-old child 
scream at the departing police vehicle. In jail, he was beaten into 
long term inmates on the order of the warden, whose constant mantra was, 
"Beating is
the only way to treat (Falun Gong)".
Wang was later transferred to the local "brainwashing centre". When released, 
to a distant region of the country without his family, where he found work 
until he 
again arrested as one of the 6-10 office's "most wanted criminals". He ended up 
Yunnan forced labour camp #2, which manufactures artificial gems and crystals 
export through the application of chromium oxide in the manufacturing process. 
refusing to recant his Falun Gong beliefs, Wang was kept there for almost two 
His hair turned gray from the constant exposure to the chemical and 16-hour work
In January, 2002, the local hospital did a comprehensive physical examination 
Falun Gong prisoner, including an electrocardiogram, whole body x-ray, liver, 
kidney test. Beforehand, he was told by the police: "The Communist party cares 
you so much. They want to transform Falun Gong at all costs." Little knowing the
probable real purpose of the tests at the time, he cooperated. Miraculously, he
managed to get out of China and get to Canada in early 2005. He also praises 
immigration officials for getting him and his family out speedily.
(3) Ms. Na Gan, Toronto
Ms Gan worked as a customs officer at the Beijing International Airport for 11 
until mid-July, 1999, when she and five other Falun Gong practitioners 
avail themselves of each citizen's specified constitutional right to petition 
at a
designated location near the CCP headquarters in central Beijing. Police beat 
and dragged all of them into waiting buses. Thereafter, she was incarcerated on 
further occasions because she refused to renounce Falun Gong. When a 
examined her in a hospital and pronounced her mentally fit, the police still 
kept her 
in a
locked room there for eight days with patients who were screaming. When she 
unfurled a banner in Tiananmen Square, saying 
she was kicked by police. Back in custody, she was beaten by other prisoners at 
direction of officials and forced to stand for hours in the snow without an 
In March, 2000, the banner incident got her a one year sentence under house 
expulsion from the Communist party, and termination of her salary. By the 
she was back in a crowded cell with mostly Falun Gong adherents. When she 
refused to
read aloud an article defaming Falun Gong, a policeman kicked her in the head
repeatedly. She was next moved to the Beijing women's labour camp, where the
treatment was so severe that she finally signed a pledge to renounce Falun 
managed to leave China for Canada as an immigrant from fear of further 
persecution in
May, 2004 but without her husband and daughter.
Gan's observations relative to organ harvesting are probably inconclusive. 
Falun Gong prisoners with her in detention in Beijing - some cells holding as 
30 women - were identified by four digit numbers only. One night, she was 
by noises, only to find the next morning that some of the numbered inmates had 
dragged from their cells and never returned. One cannot fairly conclude the 
without knowing more. For five months in mid-2001, she was part of forced labour
team of approximately 130 mostly female Falun Gong prisoners. Only the Falun 
members in the group were taken by soldiers to a nearby police hospital for 
urine tests, x-rays, and eye examinations. This medical attention seemed to her 
time completely out of character with everything else experienced at the camp. 
later did she learn about the organ harvesting going occurring across China.
15) Human rights violations generally
Falun Gong are not the only victims of human rights violations in China. It is
incontestable that the organs of prisoners sentenced to death are harvested 
Besides Falun Gong, other prime targets of human rights violations are Tibetans,
Christians, Uighurs, democracy activists and human rights defenders. Rule of Law
mechanisms in place to prevent human rights violations, such as an independent
judiciary, access to counsel on detention, habeas corpus, the right to public 
glaringly absent in China. China, according to its constitution, is ruled by the
Communist Party. It is not ruled by law.
This overall pattern of human rights violations, like many other factors, does 
not in
itself prove the allegations. But it removes an element of disproof. It is 
say of these allegations that it is out of step with an overall pattern of 
respect for
human rights in China. While the allegations, in themselves, are surprising, 
they are
less surprising with a country that has the human rights record China than they 
be for many other countries.
16) Financial considerations
In China, organ transplanting is a very profitable business. We can trace the 
the people who pay for organ transplants to specific hospitals which do organ
transplants, but we can not go further than that. We do not know who gets the 
the hospitals receive. Are doctors and nurses engaged in criminal organ 
paid exorbitant sums for their crimes? That was a question it was impossible 
for us 
answer, since we had no way of knowing where the money went.
China International Transplantation Network Assistance Centre Website
( )
(Shenyang City)
Before its indicated removal from the site 38 in April, 2006, the size of the 
profits for
transplants was suggested in the following price list:
Kidney US$62,000
Liver US$98,000-130,000
Liver-kidney US$160,000-180,000
Kidney-pancreas US$150,000
38 Yet, one can still go to the Internet Archive to find the information on 
this website from March 2006:
Lung US$150,000-170,000
Heart US$130,000-160,000
Cornea US$30,000
A standard way of investigating any crime allegation where money changes hands 
is to
follow the money trail. But for China, its closed doors means that following 
trail is impossible. Not knowing where the money goes proves nothing. But it 
disproves nothing, including these allegations.
17) Corruption
Corruption is a major problem across China. State institutions are sometimes 
the benefit of those in charge of them, rather than for the benefit of the 
Military hospitals across the country operate independently from the Ministry 
and, while the figures for their organ transplants are secret, we understand 
large. Trafficking in Falun Gong vital organs would be consistent with the 
other commercial activities on the part of the Chinese army, especially in the 
until 2004 while Jiang was chairman of the country's Military Commission.
The widespread corruption of official Chinese institutions raises the question 
the harvesting of Falun Gong organs for transplants, if it does occur, happens 
result of official policy or as the result of the profiteering of individual 
advantage of the defenceless of a captive Falun Gong population in their 
policy of repression of the Falun Gong means that they are in prison without 
the disposition of corrupt authorities. The incitement to hatred against the 
and their dehumanization means that they can be butchered and killed without 
by those who buy into this official hate propaganda.
Whether the harvesting of Falun Gong organs, if it does occur, happens as the 
result of
official policy or unofficial corruption, is for us difficult to be absolutely 
Chinese officials, in theory in charge of the country, sometimes have 
difficulty in determining whether corruption exists, let alone how to put an 
end to it.
For us, on the outside, it is easier to form a conclusion on the result, 
whether or not 
alleged organ harvesting occurs, than to determine whether this practice, if it 
the result of policy or corruption.
18) Legislation
China in March enacted legislation to take effect July 1 to ban sales of human 
and require that donors give written permission for their organs to be 
The legislation is titled a "temporary regulation." The rules further limit 
surgery to certain institutions. These institutions must verify that the organs 
legal sources. Hospital transplant ethics committees must approve all 
transplants in
This legislation is welcome. Yet, its very enactment highlights the fact that 
there is 
such legislation in place now, the lawlessness now enveloping organ 
very lawless, again, though it does not prove the allegations, removes a 
element of disproof. The absence of any legal constraints on organ transplants 
China makes the allegations on which this report focusses easier to accept.
Up to July 1st, Chinese law has allowed the buying and selling of organs. 
has not required that donors give written permission for their organs to be
transplanted. There have been no restriction on the institutions which could 
organ harvesting or transplants. Until July 1, there was no requirement that the
institutions engaged in transplants had to verify that the organs being 
were from legal sources. There was no obligation to have transplant ethics 
approve all transplants in advance.
As well, the fact that the legislation came into force on July 1 does not mean 
problem, if it existed, has ceased to exist since that date. In China, there is 
a large
step between the enactment of legislation and its implementation.
To take an obvious example, the 1982 Constitution of China provides that the 
people of
China will turn China into a country with a high level of democracy. We are now 
four years from the enactment of that commitment to democracy. Yet China is far 
The mere fact that China now has in force organ transplant legislation does not 
in itself, that the legislation is implemented. Indeed, the overall record of 
China in
implementing new legislation is such that the old practices for organ 
whatever they may happen to be, are likely to continue, at least in some places 
China, for quite some time.
G. Credibility
We conclude that the verbal admissions in the transcripts of interviews of 
can be trusted. There is no doubt in our minds that these interviews did take 
the persons claimed to be interviewed at the time and place indicated and that 
transcripts accurately reflect what was said.
Moreover, the content of what was said can itself be believed. For one, when 
against the recent international uproar about alleged organ seizures as the 
Olympics approach, the admissions made at the various institutions are contrary 
reputational interests of the government of China in attempting to convince the
international community that the widespread killing of Falun Gong prisoners for 
vital organs has not occurred.
The testimony of the wife of the surgeon allegedly complicit in Falun Gong organ
harvesting seemed credible to us, partly because of its extreme detail. 
detail also posed a problem for us, because it provided a good deal of 
which it was impossible to corroborate independently. We were reluctant to base 
findings on sole source information. So, in the end, we relied on the testimony 
witness only where it was corroborative and consistent with other evidence, 
as sole source information.
In the course of our work, we have come across a number of people sceptical of 
allegations. This scepticism has a number of different causes. Some of the 
reminds of the statement of U.S. Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter 1943 
to a
Polish diplomat in reaction to being told by Jan Karski about the Holocaust. 
"I did not say that this young man was lying. I said that I was unable to 
what he told me. There is a difference."
The allegations here are so shocking that they are almost impossible to 
believe. The
allegations, if true, would represent a grotesque form of evil which, despite 
all the
depravations humanity has seen, would be new to this planet. The very horror 
us reel back in disbelief. But that disbelief does not mean that the 
allegations are
H. Further Research
Obviously, this report is not the final word on this subject. There is much 
that we
ourselves, given the opportunity, would rather do before we completed the 
it would mean pursuing avenues of investigation which are not now open to us. We
will welcome any comments on its contents or any additional information 
individuals or
governments might be willing to provide.
We would like to see Chinese hospital records of transplants. Are there 
consents on
file? Are there records of sources of organs?
Donors can survive many forms of transplant operations. No one can survive a 
or heart donation. But kidney donations are normally not fatal. Where are the
surviving donors? We would like to do a random sampling of donations to see if 
could locate the donors.
Family members of deceased donors should either know of the consents of the 
Alternatively, the family members should have given the consents themselves. 
too, we would like to do a random sampling of immediate family members of 
donors to see if the families either consented themselves to the donations or 
aware of the consent of the donor.
China has engaged in a major expansion of organ transplant facilities in recent 
This expansion likely would have been accompanied by feasibility studies 
organ sources. We would like to see these feasibility studies.
Ideally, we would like to pursue further research before we come to any firm
conclusions. But the very willingness to engage in further research may require 
forming of tentative conclusions. If we could decide now that there is nothing 
in the
allegations, we might well further conclude that additional research would be 
I. Conclusions
Based on what we now know, we have come to the regrettable conclusion that the
allegations are true. We believe that there has been and continues today to be 
scale organ seizures from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.
We have concluded that the government of China and its agencies in numerous 
parts of
the country, in particular hospitals but also detention centres and 'people's 
since 1999 have put to death a large but unknown number of Falun Gong prisoners 
conscience. Their vital organs, including hearts, kidneys, livers and corneas, 
virtually simultaneously seized involuntarily for sale at high prices, 
sometimes to
foreigners, who normally face long waits for voluntary donations of such organs 
home countries.
How many of the victims were first convicted of any offence, serious or 
legitimate courts, we are unable to estimate because such information appears 
unavailable both to Chinese nationals and foreigners. It appears to us that many
human beings belonging to a peaceful voluntary organization made illegal seven 
ago by President Jiang because he thought it might threaten the dominance of the
Communist Party of China have been in effect executed by medical practitioners 
their organs.
Our conclusion comes not from any one single item of evidence, but rather the 
together of all the evidence we have considered. Each portion of the evidence 
considered is, in itself, verifiable and, in most cases, incontestable. Put 
paint a damning whole picture. It is their combination that has convinced us.
J. Recommendations
1) It goes without saying that the harvesting of organs of unwilling Falun Gong
practitioners, if it is happening, as we believe it is, should cease.
2) Organ harvesting of unwilling donors where it is either systematic or 
is a
crime against humanity. We are not in a position, with the resources and 
at our disposal, to conduct a criminal investigation. Criminal authorities in 
investigate the allegation for possible prosecution.
3) Governmental, non-governmental and inter-governmental human rights
organizations with far better investigative capacity than ours should take these
allegations seriously and make their own determinations whether or not they are 
4) Article 3 of the United Nations Protocol to Prevent, Suppress and Punish 
in Persons, bans, among other practices,... the removal of organs. Governments 
request the relevant agency of the UN (we would suggest the UN Committee 
Torture and the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture), to investigate if the 
government of
China has engaged in, or is engaging in now, in violations of any of the terms 
3. If so, the necessary steps to seek a remedy should be initiated with 
5) Until the Chinese law on organ transplants is effectively implemented, 
governments should not issue visas to doctors from China seeking to travel 
the purpose of training in organ or bodily issue transplantation. Any doctor in 
known to be involved in trafficking in the organs of prisoners should be barred 
all foreign countries permanently.
6) All states should strengthen their laws against the crime of trafficking in 
laws should require doctors to report to the authorities of their country any 
suggesting that a patient has obtained an organ from a trafficked person abroad,
defined to include persons in detention abroad.
7) All should prevent and, at the very least, discourage their nationals from 
organ transplants in China until the Chinese law on organ transplants is 
implemented. States should, if necessary, deny passports or revoke passports of 
who are travelling to China for organ transplants.
8) Until the international community is satisfied that the new Chinese law on 
transplants is effectively implemented, foreign funding agencies, medical 
and individual health professionals should not participate in any Government of
China-sponsored organ transplant research or meetings. Foreign companies which
currently provide goods and services to China's organ transplant programs 
and desist immediately until the government of China can demonstrate that their 
on organ transplants is effective.
9) The current form of dialogue between Canada and China over human rights 
cease. Canadian political scientist and former diplomat Charles Burton recently 
the dialogue a charade. In hindsight, the Government erred in agreeing to the 
in exchange for Canada no longer co-sponsoring the yearly motion criticizing 
government at the then UN Human Rights Commission.
10) The repression, imprisonment and severe mistreatment of Falun Gong 
must stop immediately.
11) All detention facilities, including forced labour camps, must be opened for
international community inspection through the International Committee for the 
Cross or other human rights or humanitarian organization.
12) Chinese hospitals should keep records of the source of every transplant. 
records should be available for inspection by international human rights 
13) Every organ transplant donor should consent to the donation in writing. 
consents should be available for inspection by international human rights 
14) China and every other state now party to the Convention against Torture, 
Canada, should accede to the Optional Protocol to the Convention against 
15) Every organ transplant, both donation and receipt, should have official 
from a government supervisory agency before the transplant takes place.
16) Organ harvesting from executed prisoners should cease immediately.
17) Commercialization of organ transplants should cease. Organ transplants 
be for sale.
K. Commentary
To accept the first recommendation would mean accepting that the allegations 
All the other recommendations we make do not require accepting that the 
are true. We suggest adoption of these other recommendations in any case.
To accept the next three recommendations would mean giving at least some 
to the allegations. The next three recommendations do not require accepting the
allegations as true; but they make sense only if there is a reasonable 
possibility the
recommendations are true.
The remaining recommendations make sense and could be implemented whether 
allegations are true or false. The next five recommendations are addressed to 
international community, asking the community to promote respect within China of
international standards about organ transplants.
We are well aware that the Government of China denies the allegations. We 
that the most credible and effective way from the Government of China to assert 
denial is to implement all of the remaining recommendations in this report 
after the 
eight recommendations. If the remaining recommendations were implemented, 
allegations considered here could no longer be made.
To all those are sceptical about the allegations, we ask you to ask yourself 
what you
would suggest to prevent, in any state, allegations like these from becoming 
common sense list of precautions to prevent the sort of activity here alleged 
pretty much all been missing in China. Until the recent legislation was in 
basic precautions to prevent the abuses here alleged from happening were not in 
That legislation does not fill the gap unless and until it is comprehensively
Every state, and not just China, needs to lay in its defences in order to 
prevent the
harvesting of organs from the unwilling, the marginalized, the defenceless. 
one thinks of the allegations, and we reiterate we believe them to be true, 
China is
remarkably undefended to prevent the sorts of activities here alleged from 
There are many reasons why the death penalty is wrong. Not least is the 
of the executioners. When the state kills defenceless human beings already in 
for their crimes, it becomes all too easy to take the next step, harvesting 
without their consent. This is a step China undoubtedly took. When the state 
the organs of executed prisoners without their consent, it is another step that 
all too easy and tempting to take to harvest the organs of other vilified, 
defenceless prisoners without their consent, especially when there is big money 
made from it. We urge the government of China, whatever they think of the 
considered here, to build up their defences against even the slightest 
possibility of 
harvesting of organs from unwilling Falun Gong practitioners.
All of which is respectfully submitted,
(Signature) (Signature)
____________________ _______________________
David Matas David Kilgour
Ottawa 6July 2006
(APPENDICES 1-12 are in a seperate file.)
Interview With Ex-Wife Of A Chinese Surgeon
Who Removed Corneas Of Falun Gong Practitioners
On May 20, 2006, Mr. David Kilgour conducted an interview in the United States 
the ex-wife of a Chinese surgeon who removed corneas of Falun Gong prisoners. 
following transcript was abridged and edited to protect those who may be in 
due to the publishing of this interview.
W - Ex-wife of a Chinese surgeon who removed corneas of Falun Gong 
A - Another person who was also present at the Interview raised 2 questions.
Kilgour: ... The closest person who saw this happen is "W". ... In 2001 when 
did the
procurement of food supplies for [Sujiatun Hospital] go up?
W: About July in the summer.
Kilgour: July 2001.You were in the accounting department?
W: Statistics and Logistics Department.
Kilgour: Statistics and Logistics Department. What happened? The procurement of 
went up first and then the surgical equipment?
W: In July 2001, there were many people working in the Statistics and Logistics
Department. Some of them from procurement brought the receipts to me for 
after they made the purchase. On the receipt I noted sharp increases in the food
supplies. Also the people in charge of the logistics were delivering meals to 
where Falun Gong practitioners were detained. Other medial staff came to our
department to report the purchase of the medical equipment. From the receipts, 
medial equipment supplies also sharply increased.
Kilgour: By the way, the facilities to detain Falun Gong practitioners, was it 
underground facilities?
W: In the backyard of the hospital, there were some one-story houses typically 
construction workers. After several months, the consumption of food and other 
gradually decreased. At that time people guessed that maybe the detainees were 
to an underground facility.
Kilgour: When did the supply decrease? September? October?
W: After about 4 or 5 months.
Kilgour: End of 2001?
W: Yes.
Kilgour: How much of an increase did you estimate it was from the food 
saw]? How many people you estimated were there?
W: The person in charge of getting the food and in charge of sending food to 
Gong practitioners detained told me that there were about 5000 to 6000 
At the time, a lot of public security bureaus and hospitals in many areas were 
many Falun Gong practitioners. A lot of people working at the hospital 
including me
were not Falun Gong practitioners. So we didn't pay attention. If it were not 
happened in 2003 when I found my ex-husband was directly involved in it, I 
wouldn't be interested in this at all. A lot of the staffers working in our 
family members of the officials in government health care system. For some 
we knew it in our heart but none of us would discuss these things.
Kilgour: When they decreased the procurement, where did your think the 
W: We thought they were released.
Kilgour: At the end of 2001, you thought they were released?
W: Yes.
Kilgour: All 5000 had been released?
W: No, there were still Falun Gong practitioners detained in the hospital, but 
number was gradually decreasing. Later in 2003, I learned that Falun Gong
practitioners were transferred to the underground complex and other hospitals,
because our hospital couldn't hold so many people.
Kilgour: They left the houses or cabins at the backyard to go to underground?
W: Yes, I later got to know these in 2002.
Kilgour: Did you say that you were not the person to send the food to them when
practitioners were detained at the houses or cabins at the backyard?
W: No, I was not.
Kilgour: Did you know who supplied their meals after they left your 
W: I didn't know.
Kilgour: I heard a lot of these people were killed for their organs. 2001 and 
it the correct understanding?
W: During the years of 2001-2002, I didn't know anything about organ 
only knew the detaining of these people.
Kilgour: So you didn't discover this until you husband told you in 2003.
W: Right.
Kilgour: Did he tell you 2001-2002 he already started doing these operations?
W: Yes, he started from 2002.
Kilgour: Your former husband began in 2002?
W: Yes.
Kilgour: Did you roughly know if there were [organ removal] operations since 
W: The operations started in 2001, some were done in our hospital, and some were
done at other hospitals in the region. I found out in 2003.
At the beginning he also did the operations, but he did not know they were 
practitioners. He was a nureo-surgeon. He removed corneas. Starting from 2002 
to know those he operated on were Falun Gong practitioners. Because our 
not an organ transplant hospital. It was only in charge of removal. How these 
were transplanted, he didn't know.
Kilgour: Your ex-husband started to take organs from Falun Gong practitioners 
from when?
W: At the end of 2001, he started to operate, but he didn't know these live 
Falun Gong practitioners. He got to know that in 2002.
Kilgour: What kind of organs did he take out?
W: Corneas.
Kilgour: Just corneas?
W: Yes.
Kilgour: Were these people alive or dead?
W: Usually these Falun Gong practitioners were injected with a shot to cause 
failure. During the process these people would be pushed into operation rooms 
their organs removed. On the surface the heart stopped beating, but the brain 
functioning, because of that shot.
Kilgour: What was the injection called?
W: I don't know the name of it but it caused heart failure. I was not a nurse 
or a
doctor. Don't know the names of the injection.
Kilgour: Causing heart failure, most, or all or some cases?
W: For most people.
Kilgour: So he would take corneas of these people, then what happened to these
W: These people were pushed to other operation rooms for removals of heart, 
kidneys, etc. During one operation when he collaborated with other doctors, he 
they were Falun Gong practitioners, that their organs were removed while alive, 
that it was not just cornea removal -, they were removing many organs.
Kilgour: They did it in different rooms, didn't they?
W: In the later period of time, when these doctors cooperated together, they 
doing the operations together. At the beginning, fearing information could leak 
different organs were removed by different doctors at different rooms. Later on 
they got money, they were no longer afraid any more. They started to remove the
organs together.
For other practitioners who were operated in other hospital, my ex-husband 
know what happened to them afterwards. For the practitioners in our hospital, 
their kidneys, liver, etc and skin were removed, there were only bones and 
left. The bodies were thrown into the boiler room at the hospital.
In the beginning, I did not fully believe this had happened. For some doctors 
operation accidents, they may form some illusions. So I checked with other 
other officials from the government health care system.
Kilgour: in 2003 or 2002?
W: 2003.
Kilgour: Your husband only did corneas?
W: yes
Kilgour: how many cornea operations did your ex-husband perform?
W: He said about 2000.
Kilgour: Corneas of 2000 people, or 2000 corneas?
W: Corneas of around 2000 people.
Kilgour: This is from 2001 to 2003?
W: From the end of 2001 to October 2003.
Kilgour: That was when he left?
W: It was the time that I got to know this and he stopped doing it.
Kilgour: Where did these corneas go?
W: It was usually collected by other hospitals. There was an existing system 
such business of removal and sales of the organs to other hospitals or other 
Kilgour: Nearby or far away?
W: I don't know.
Kilgour: All the heart, liver, kidneys and corneas go off to other hospitals?
W: Yes.
Kilgour: Did you know what prices they sold them for?
W: I don't know at the time. However, in year 2002, a neighbor had a liver 
It cost 200,000 yuan. The hospital charged a little bit less for Chinese than 
Kilgour: Which year, 2001 or 2002?
W: 2002.
Kilgour: What was the husband told?, How did they justify? These were perfectly
healthy people...
W: In the beginning, he wasn't told anything. He was asked to help out in other
hospitals. However every time when he did such favor, or provided this kind of 
got lots of money, and cash awards. Several dozens of times his normal salary.
Kilgour: What was the total amount of money he got out of the 2000 cornea 
W: Hundreds of thousands of US dollars.
Kilgour: were they paid in US dollars?
W: Paid in Chinese yuan. Equivalent to Hundreds of thousands of US dollars.
Kilgour: How many doctors were working on these organ removals in the hospital, 
in which area? Are we talking about 100 doctors or dozens, or 10?
W: I don't know how many people were doing it specifically. But I know that 
4 or
5 doctors whom were acquaintances of us at our hospital were doing it. And in 
hospitals, doctors of general practice were also doing this.
Kilgour: Is there any records in the statistics department regarding how many 
were operated upon?
W: There was no proper procedure or paper work for this kind of operations. So 
was no way to count the number of operations in the normal way.
Kilgour: After practitioners transferred underground at the end of 2001, did 
where their food supplies were from?
W: Food still came from our department. Just the amount gradually decreased.
At the end of 2001 we thought they were released. In 2003, I learned that they 
not released but were transferred to underground or other hospital.
Kilgour: Was the underground facility run by the military army or by the 
said food was still from the hospital.
W: We weren't responsible for the procurement of the food for the people 
kept underground. That is why there is so much difference in the procuring of 
when people were transferred to the underground complex. But the food of some 
the detainees were provided by the hospital, and others were not. The decrease 
was not proportional to the decrease of the number of detainees.
Kilgour: What did your husband tell you about the underground facility? 5000 
killed, or more than 5000?
W: He didn't know how many people were detained underground. He only heard 
some others that people were detained underground. If three operations were 
every day, after several years of operation, for the 5000-6000 people, not many 
would be left. This whole scheme and the trading of organs were organized by the
government health care system. The doctors' responsibility was simply to do 
were told to do.
Kilgour: He didn't go down to the underground facility himself?
W: He didn't.
Kilgour: Rudimentary operation in the underground facility?
W: He had never been there.
Kilgour: All of those people, were they dead when they were operated on? Or 
hearts stopped? Did he know what they were killed afterwards? They weren't yet 
W: At the beginning, he doesn't know these were Faun Gong practitioners. As time
went by, he knew they were Faun Gong practitioners. When they did more of these
removals of organs and became bold, these doctors started to do the removals
together - this doctor extracted the cornea; another doctor removed the kidney; 
third doctor took out the liver. At that time, this patient, or this Faun Gong 
he knew what was the next step to treat the body. (Translator added the 
translation of
the two missed sentences: Yes, the heart stopped beating, but they were still 
the victim's skin was not pealed off and only internal organs were removed, the
openings of the bodies would be sealed and an agent would sign the paperwork. 
bodies would be sent to the crematorium near the Sujiatun area.
Kilgour: Only if when the skin were removed, they would be sent to the boiler's 
W: Yes.
Kilgour: Usually what was the "supposed" cause of death given?
W: Usually no specific reason when the bodies were sent to the crematorium. 
the reasons were "The heart stopped beating", "heart failure". When these 
rounded up and detained, nobody knew their names or where they were from. So 
they were sent to the crematorium, nobody could claim their bodies.
Kilgour: Who administered the drug to cause the heart to stop beating?
W: Nurse.
Kilgour: Nurse working for the hospital?
W: Nurses brought over by these doctors. Doctors including my ex-husband came 
this hospital in 1999 or 2000. He brought his nurse over. When organ harvest 
started, nurses were assigned to the doctors. Wherever the doctors go, their 
with them as far as the organ removal operations were concerned. These nurses 
not like personal secretaries.
In year 2003, government health authorities sent many doctors involved in organ
removal operations to an area sealed by the government because of SARS. These
doctors believed they were sent there to let them live or die over there. I 
mean the
government already wanted to put to death secretively the first group involved 
removal. So they sent them to SARS affected area in Beijing.
>From that point on my husband realized that there was danger in doing this and 
any time, he could be killed and done away with as accomplice. Later when he 
to quit, someone did try to kill him.
Kilgour: In the hospital?
W: Outside the hospital.
Kilgour: Can you give us more details?
W: At the end of 2003 after I learned about the issue, he came back from 
could no longer live a normal life. After I knew about it, he listened to my 
advice and
decided to quit doing it. He submitted the resignation letter. It was around 
the new
year of 2004.
In February 2004, after his resignation was granted, the last month working in 
hospital, he was finishing open ends at his work. During that time we received 
threats at home. Someone said to him, "You watch out for your life."
One day we got off work in the afternoon. There were 2 people walking toward us
trying to assassinate him. If you were a woman, I would show you my scar, 
because I
pushed him aside and took the stab. Because men do not have very good six 
he kept walking. When I realized the 2 people were going to pull the knife to 
I pushed him aside and took the stab for him. Many people came over and I was 
to the hospital. These two men ran away.
Kilgour: Which side? (Location of the scar)
W: Right side.
Kilgour: Do you know who these two people were?
W: I didn't know in the beginning. Later I knew.
Kilgour: Who were they?
W: I learned that they were thugs hired by the government health authorities.
Kilgour: How did you find that out about this two?
W: Because my family was part of the government health care system. My mom 
to be a doctor.
After these things happened, our friends suggested we get a divorce so it would
separate our children and me from my husband. After all, our children and I 
participate in any of these. So we were divorced at the end of 2003, very close 
new year of 2004.
Kilgour: How many did you think were still alive?
W: Initially I estimated there were about 2000 people left at the time I left 
China in
2004. But I cannot give a figure anymore, because China is still arresting 
practitioners and there have been people come in and going out. So I cannot 
figure now any more.
Kilgour: How did you come to this number 2000 in 2004?
W: According to how many my ex-husband did and how many other doctors did. 
how many sent to other hospitals. Good doctors are well connected within the 
care system. Many of them used to be classmates in medical schools. The number 
estimated by the few doctors involved. When we were together in private, they
discussed how many people in total. At that time, these doctors did not want to
continue. They wanted to go to other countries or transfer to other fields. So 
number of death was calculated and derived by these doctors involved.
Kilgour: What is their estimate of how many people were killed?
W: They estimated 3000-4000 people.
Kilgour: This is the estimate by all of the doctors?
W: No. By three doctors we were familiar with.
Kilgour: Do you have anything else you want to say?
W: Chinese or non-Chinese, they think it is impossible Sujiatun detained so 
Gong practitioners. They focused on just this Sujiatun hospital. Because most 
people do
not know there are underground facilities. I want to say, even if things were 
Sujiatun, in other hospitals this issue continues. Because I worked in 
Sujiatun, I 
about Sujiatun. Other hospitals and detention centers, inspecting and putting 
control on
these facilities will help reduce the deaths.
For Chinese people, one person comes out, there are still family members in 
They still dare not come out to speak the truth. They are afraid it could put 
members in danger. It doesn't mean that they don't know about it.
A: Does your mother know about what you are doing?
W: Yes.
A: Does she still work in the government health care system?
W: No. She retired a long time ago. She is almost 70 years old.
(1) Mishan City Detention Centre, Heilongjiang province (8 June 2006):
M: Do you have Falun Gong [organ] suppliers? ...
Mr. Li: We used to have, yes.
M: ... what about now?
Mr. Li: ... Yes.
M: Can we come to select, or you provide directly to us?
Mr.Li: We provide them to you.
M: What about the price?
Mr. Li: We discuss after you come.
M: How many [Falun Gong suppliers] under age 40 do you have?
Mr. Li: Quite a few.
M: Are they male or female?
Mr. Li: Male
M: Now, for ... the male Falun Gong [prisoners], How many of them do you have?
Mr. Li: Seven, eight, we have [at least] five, six now.
M: Are they from countryside or from the city?
Mr. Li: countryside.
(2)Shanghai's Zhongshan Hospital Organ Transplant Clinic (16 March 2006):
M: Hi. Are you a doctor?
Doctor: Yes, I am...
M: ...So how long do I have to wait [for organ transplant surgery]?
Doctor: About a week after you come...
M: Is there the kind of organs that come from Falun Gong? I heard that they are 
Doctor: All of ours are those types.
(3) Qianfoshan City Liver Transplant Hospital, Shandong province (16 March 
Receptionist: "Hold a second. I'll get a doctor for you.
Doctor: Hello. How are you?
M: ... How long have you been doing [these operations]?...
Doctor: ... Over four years.
M: The supply of livers.. the ones from Falun Gong, I want to ask if you have 
Doctor: It is ok if you come here.
M: So that means you have them?
Doctor: ...In April, there will be more of these kinds of suppliers.., now 
gradually we
have more and more."
M: Why will there be more in April?
Doctor: This I can't explain to you...
(4)Nanning City Minzu Hospital in Guangxi Autonomous Region (22 May 2006):
M: Could you find organs from Falun Gong practitioners?
Dr. Lu: Let me tell you, we have no way to get (them). It's rather difficult to 
get it
nowin Guangxi. If you cannot wait, I suggest you go to Guangzhou because it's 
easy for them to get the organs. They are able to look for them nation wide. As 
are performing the liver transplant, they can get the kidney for you at the 
so it's very easy for them to do. Many places where supplies are short go to 
M: Why is it easy for them to get?...
Lu: Because they are an important institution. They contact the judicial system 
name of the whole university.
M: Then they use organs from Falun Gong practitioners?
Lu: Correct...
M: ... What you used before (organs from Falun Gong practitioners), were they 
detention centre(s) or prison(s)?"
Lu: From prisons.
M: ... And it was from healthy Falun Gong practioners...?
Lu: Correct. We would choose the good ones because we assure the quality in our
M: That means you choose the organs yourself.
Lu: Correct...
M: Usually, how old is the organ supplier?
Lu: Usually in their thirties.
M: ... Then you will go to the prison to select yourself?
Lu: Correct. We must select it.
M: What if the chosen one doesn't want to have blood drawn?
Lu: He will for sure let us do it.
M: How?
Lu: They will for sure find a way. What do you worry about? These kinds of 
should not be of any concern to you. They have their rocedures.
M: Does the person know that his organ will be removed?
Lu: No, he doesn't.
(5)Shanghai Jiaotong University Hospital's Liver Transplant Centre (16 March 
M: "I want to know how long [ the patients] have to wait (for a liver 
Dr. Dai: The supply of organs we have, we have every day. We do them every day.
M: We want fresh, alive ones.
Dr. Dai: They are all alive, all alive...
M: How many [liver transplants] have you done?
Dr. Dai: We have done 400 to 500 cases...Your major job is to come, prepare the
money, enough money, and come.
M: How much is it?
Dr. Dai: If everything goes smoothly, it's about RMB 150,000...RMB 200,000.
M: How long do I have to wait?
Dr. Dai: I need to check your blood type...If you come today, I may do it for 
one week.
M: I heard some come from those who practise Falun Gong, those who are very
Dr. Dai: UYes, we have. I can't talk clearly to you over the phone.
M: If you can find me this type, I am coming very soon.
Dr. Dai: It's ok. Please come.
M: ...What is your last name?...
Dr. Dai: I'm Doctor Dai.
(6) Zhengzhou Medical University Organ Transplant Centre in Henan Province (14
March 2006):
Dr. Wang: ...For sure, [the organ] is healthy... If it's not healthy, we won't 
take it.
M: I've heard that those kidneys from Falun Gong practitioners are better. Do 
Wang: Yes, yes, we pick all the young and healthy kidneys...
M: That is the kind that practises this type of [Falun] Gong.
Wang: For this, you could rest assured. Sorry I can't tell you much on the 
M: Do you get (them) out of town?
Wang: ... We have local ones and out-of-town ones.
M: What is your last name?
Wang: Wang
(7) Oriental Organ Transplant Center (also called Tianjin City No 1 Central 
Tianjin City, (15 March 2006):
N: Is this Chief-Physician Song?
Song: Yes, please speak.
N: Her doctor told her that the kidney is quite good because he [the supplier,] 
..Falun Gong.
Song: Of course. We have all those who breathe and with heart beat...Up until 
this year, we have more than ten kidneys, more than ten such kidneys.
N: More than ten of this kind of kidneys? You mean live bodies?
Song: Yes it is so.
(8) Tongji Hospital in Wuhan City, Wuhan City, Hunan Province (30 March 2006):
N: How many (kidney transplants) can you do in a year?
Official: ... Our department is the one that does the most in the whole Hubei 
We do a lot if the organ suppliers are ample.
N: ... We hope the kidney suppliers are alive. [We're] looking for live organ 
from prisoners, for example, using living bodies from prisoners who practise 
Gong. Is it possible?
Official: It's not a problem.
(9) General Hospital of Guangzhou Military Region, Guangdong Province (12 April
N: Is this Dr. Zhu...?
Zhu: Yes that's me.
N: I'm from hospital 304. ...... I have two relatives in hospital 304. We don't 
enough kidney supply right now. We did a lot of [kidney transplants] in 2001, 
Zhu: Right...
N: We found that kidneys from young people and Falun Gong [practitioners] are 
How about your hospital, such as kidneys from Falun Gong?
Zhu: We have very few kidneys from Falun Gong.
N: But you still have some?
Zhu: It is not hard for [blood] type B. If you come here, we can arrange it 
definitely before May 1.
N: There will be a batch before May 1?
Zhu: Several batches.
N: Will you have some after May 1?
Zhu: After May 1, you may need to wait until May 20 or later.
(10) First Detention Centre of Qinhuangdao city,Shangdong Province (18 May 
N: Is this the First Detention Centre of Qinhuangdao City?"
Official: "What's up?
N: We are doing kidney transplantations and we don't have enough organs.
Official: You don't need to call here. You just call the court.
N: Which court?
Official: It is the Intermediate People's Court. You need to tell them about 
N: In 2001, you provided live organs from young and healthy people who practised
Falun Gong...
Official: You don't need to talk about that time. It has been so many years. 
now it
is with the court. You just call them.
(11) The Second Detention Centre of Qinhuangdao city Shangdong Province (18 
N:... I wonder if you still have live organ supplies from people such as those 
Falun Gong?
Official: No, we don't have Falun Gong [organs] right now. There are very few 
almost none. During earlier 2000s there [were] many Falun Gong [organs].
(12) The Qinhuangdao Intermediate People's Court Shangdong Province (18 May
N: ... Can your court provide us with some live kidneys from young and healthy 
Official: No matter good or bad, we have none. There is no execution after the 
N:... I mean live kidneys from young and healthy people who practise Falun 
had a lot in 2001...
Official: We had before...
N: ... Not just the executed prisoners-such live organs as Falun Gong...?
Official: No, what you said is in 2001. We have to face reality now...
(13) The First Criminal Bureau of the Jinzhou Intermediate People's Court (23 
N: Starting from 2001, we always (got) kidneys from young and healthy people 
practise Falun Gong from detention centres and courts...I wonder if you still 
organs in your court right now?
Official: That depends on your qualifications... If you have good 
qualifications, we 
still provide some...
N: Are we supposed to get them, or will you prepare for them?"
Official: According to past experience, it is you that will come here to get 
N: ... What are the qualifications that we must have?
Official: ... Let's say for now this year is very different from previous 
years. This year
the situation is very tough...The policy is very strict. Several years ago we 
had a 
relationship with Beijing, but recently it is very tense...It's all about 
(14) Kunming Higher People's Court (31 May 2006):
N: ... We contacted your court several times in 2001. Your court can provide us 
those live kidney organs from those young and healthy Falun Gong 
Official: I am not sure about that. Such things are related to national 
secrets. I don't
think this is something that we can talk about on the phone. If you want to 
information about these things, you'd better contact us in a formal way, okay?

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