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Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter
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Camm Maguire |
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Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter |
Date: |
25 Jul 2003 12:01:30 -0400 |
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Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.2 |
Greetings!
Adam Warner <address@hidden> writes:
> On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 09:24, Camm Maguire wrote:
> > Greetings, gentle people!
> >
> > I must confess that I don't even have time now to adequately ponder
> > the flurry of latest emails. I'd like to make the following points,
> > which I hope will calm and clarify.
>
> ...
>
> > 4) The basic confusion surrounding this discussion stems from a
> > misunderstanding, IMHO, of how GCL (or lisp in general) works
> > technically. Tim basically hit the nail on the head. I will try to
> > summarize separately in a note to RMS, but the basic idea is that
> > unlike in C programming, lisp executables have the entire compiler,
> > linker, and image saver -- basically all of GCL -- in the
> > executable itself. I'm still not sure to what extent this is as a
> > result of an early GCL design decision, or to what extent it is
> > mandated by the Common Lisp standard.
>
> Camm, having the entire compiler is necessary for the full power of Lisp
> to be available at runtime.
>
I take it this means also the ability to link in binary object modules
into the running image. Does it also mean the ability to dump the
memory image to a file?
> > In any case, there is a
> > *long* history of GCL usage in this mode, which it would be
> > completely unfair to suddenly disrupt. I repeat I will do all in
> > my power to avoid this.
>
> Great.
>
> By the way in regard to the readline issue, one could just completely
> exorcise the readline code. rlwarp allows end-users to independently
> choose whether to "wrap" a readline interface around a product. As you
> would no longer be distributing readline at all you would no longer be
> under any obligation to GPL GCL.
>
> This is the first time I have been aware that rlwrap is distributed with
> Debian:
> http://packages.debian.org/unstable/editors/rlwrap.html
> http://utopia.knoware.nl/~hlub/uck/rlwrap/
> http://utopia.knoware.nl/~hlub/uck/rlwrap/README.txt
>
Thanks for this. Will consider. But the main issue is not readline,
but first 1) emacs unexec and then 2) libbfd.
Take care,
--
Camm Maguire address@hidden
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- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, (continued)
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Adam Warner, 2003/07/24
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Nicolas Neuss, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Nicolas Neuss, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Adam Warner, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Sam Steingold, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] CLISP and independent works [was Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter], Adam Warner, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: CLISP and independent works [was Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter], Sam Steingold, 2003/07/26
- Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: CLISP and independent works [was Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter], C Y, 2003/07/26
- [Gcl-devel] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Bruno Haible, 2003/07/31
- [Gcl-devel] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Adam Warner, 2003/07/31
- Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter,
Camm Maguire <=
- Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Adam Warner, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Nicolas Neuss, 2003/07/25
- Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Camm Maguire, 2003/07/25
- Re: [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Nicolas Neuss, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Mike Dewar, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Camm Maguire, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Mike Dewar, 2003/07/29
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Bakul Shah, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] Re: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Camm Maguire, 2003/07/25
- [Gcl-devel] RE: [Axiom-developer] Re: [Maxima] Re: GCL compliance and Bill Schelter, Stavros Macrakis, 2003/07/25