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Re: [Gluster-devel] Improving real world performance by moving files clo


From: gordan
Subject: Re: [Gluster-devel] Improving real world performance by moving files closer to their target workloads
Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 15:36:51 +0100 (BST)
User-agent: Alpine 1.10 (LRH 962 2008-03-14)

On Fri, 16 May 2008, Derek Price wrote:

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Isn't that effectively the same thing? Unless there is quorum, DLM locks out the entire FS (it also does this when a node dies, until it gets definitive confirmation that it has been successfully fenced). For normal file I/O all nodes in the cluster have to acknowledge a lock before it can be granted.

Why? It requires a meta-data cache, but as long as every node in the quorum stores a given file's most recent revision # when any lock is granted, even if it doesn't actually sync the file data, then any quorum should be able to agree on what the version number of the most up-to-date copy of a file is. All nodes are required to report only if you assume that any given file has a small number of "owners" and that the querier doesn't know who the owner is.

That's to do with file versioning, not locking, though. What am I missing?

To remain fault tolerant, this requires that servers make some effort to stay up-to-date with the meta-data cache, but maybe this could be dealt with efficiently with the DHT someone else brought up?

I'm not sure that so much metadata caching is actually necessary. If a file open brings the file to the local machine (this cannot be guaranteed because the local machine may be out of space, and it may be unable to free space by expunging an old file due to that file not being redundant enough in the network), then the metadata of that file, being attached to the file, is implicitly "cached". But this isn't really caching at all - it's migration.

The algorithm for opening a file might be as follows:
1) node broadcasts/multicasts an open request to all peers
2) peers that have the file available respond with the metadata (size, version, etc) they have and possibly their current load (to assist with load balancing by fetching the file from the least loaded peer) 3.1) if the file is available locally, agree a lock with other nodes, and use it. 3.2) if the file is not available locally, but there is enough space, fetch it and do 3.1) 3.3) if there isn't enough space locally to fetch the file, see if enough space can be freed. If this succeeds, do 3.2) 3.4) if space cannot be freed, use the file remotely from the least loaded peer.

Expunging algorithm would be similar - broadcast a file status request (similar to 1) above). If enough nodes respond with the latest version of the file (set some threshold depending on how much redundancy is required), the local file can be be removed and the space freed for a file that is more useful locally. This shouldn't really happen until the local data store starts to get full.

Locking could be handled somewhat lazily - a lock request gets broadcast and as long as quorum peers respond, and there are no peers saying "no, I have that lock!", the lock can be granted. A lock can have TTL (in case a node dies while holding a lock), and the refresh should be expected if the node expects to keep the lock. This could be used to speed up locking (each node would have a list of currently valid locks, without the need to check explicitly, for example - it would only need to broadcast a lock-request when it looks like the lock can be granted).

For file delta writes, an AFR type mechanism could be used to send the deltas to all the nodes that have the file. This could all get quite tricky, because it might require a separate multicast group to be set up for up to every node combination subset, in order to keep the network bandwidth down (or you'd just end up broadcasting to all nodes, which means things wouldn't scale as switches should, it'd be more like using hubs).

This would potentially have the problem that there is only 24 bits of IP multicast address space, but that should provide enough groups with sensible redundancy levels to cover all node combinations. This may or may not be way OTT complicated, though. There is probably a simpler and more sane solution.

Gordan




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