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[gnugo-devel] super-ko violation


From: Matthias Krings
Subject: [gnugo-devel] super-ko violation
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:42:22 +0200
User-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-AT; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113

Hi gnugo-list,

The Gnugo-Bot I'm running on KGS managed yesterday to build the tripple ko (as black) you can find in the attached sgf. It seems, that Gnugo (3.6-pre1) violated the super-ko rule. Unfortunately I do not have the exact position, where this happened (some moves are missing at the end of the file saved on KGS). I reconstruced the moves starting with M1, and verified that gnugo would play in the position at the end of the attached file L6, which violates super-ko. KGS reported (in my log files) that the illegal move L6 was send from the engine, so I suppose this was indeed what happened.

I do not know whether this problem can be solved via gtp, but at least I wanted to let you know that this problem exists. And even if it is not possible to communicate the exact rules which are used, gnugo has to deal with a super-ko situation in one way or another. Even though I admit that this is not a very urgent thing to solve...

Matthias

(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[AGA]SZ[19]HA[6]KM[0.50]TM[600]OT[20/120 Canadian]
PW[peach]PB[yagr]WR[4k]BR[8k]DT[2004-09-13]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at 
http://kgs.kiseido.com/]AB[dd][pd][dj][pj][dp][pp]C[yagr [8k\]: GTP Engine for 
yagr (black): GNU Go version 3.6-pre1
]
;W[jd]CR[jd]WL[596.22]
;B[hc]CR[hc]BL[599.45]
;W[nc]CR[nc]WL[575.481]
;B[pg]CR[pg]BL[598.841]
;W[fd]CR[fd]WL[569.67]
;B[df]CR[df]BL[596.912]
;W[hd]CR[hd]WL[566.11]
;B[oc]CR[oc]BL[594.284]
;W[nd]CR[nd]WL[560.956]
;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[592.447]
;W[dm]CR[dm]WL[555.3]
;B[fp]CR[fp]BL[590.156]
;W[iq]CR[iq]WL[551.051]
;B[fc]CR[fc]BL[588.274]
;W[gc]CR[gc]WL[548.056]
;B[gb]CR[gb]BL[585.958]
;W[gd]CR[gd]WL[546.101]
;B[ic]CR[ic]BL[583.45]
;W[jc]CR[jc]WL[541.376]
;B[oe]CR[oe]BL[581.598]
;W[qn]CR[qn]WL[534.065]
;B[pn]CR[pn]BL[579.7]
;W[po]CR[po]WL[528.268]
;B[qo]CR[qo]BL[575.628]
;W[oo]CR[oo]WL[526.191]
;B[qm]CR[qm]BL[567.176]
;W[qp]CR[qp]WL[524]
;B[qq]CR[qq]BL[562.506]
;W[ro]CR[ro]WL[522.386]
;B[pq]CR[pq]BL[551.143]
;W[rq]CR[rq]WL[519.33]
;B[mq]CR[mq]BL[546.07]
;W[eq]CR[eq]WL[505.17]
;B[ep]CR[ep]BL[539.503]
;W[dq]CR[dq]WL[499.187]
;B[fq]CR[fq]BL[535.124]
;W[cp]CR[cp]WL[496.032]
;B[cq]CR[cq]BL[528.905]
;W[cr]CR[cr]WL[493.865]
;B[bq]CR[bq]BL[523.82]
;W[br]CR[br]WL[491.484]
;B[rr]CR[rr]BL[518.982]
;W[sr]CR[sr]WL[488.096]
;B[pm]CR[pm]BL[510.193]
;W[qr]CR[qr]WL[485.291]
;B[pr]CR[pr]BL[503.483]
;W[rs]CR[rs]WL[483.237]
;B[cl]CR[cl]BL[499.481]
;W[cm]CR[cm]WL[477.893]
;B[bl]CR[bl]BL[494.865]
;W[bm]CR[bm]WL[476.047]
;B[mf]CR[mf]BL[491.059]
;W[ps]CR[ps]WL[456.952]
;B[or]CR[or]BL[477.103]
;W[nq]CR[nq]WL[449.605]
;B[mr]CR[mr]BL[471.022]
;W[np]CR[np]WL[444.09]
;B[lo]CR[lo]BL[466.971]
;W[mp]CR[mp]WL[437.817]
;B[lp]CR[lp]BL[460.994]
;W[nr]CR[nr]WL[436.283]
;B[er]CR[er]BL[455.945]
;W[dr]CR[dr]WL[433.972]
;B[co]CR[co]BL[452.325]
;W[bp]CR[bp]WL[431.687]
;B[bo]CR[bo]BL[449.401]
;W[aq]CR[aq]WL[429.994]
;B[en]CR[en]BL[446.809]
;W[em]CR[em]WL[426.229]
;B[fn]CR[fn]BL[444.082]
;W[fm]CR[fm]WL[421.193]
;B[gn]CR[gn]BL[440.057]
;W[in]CR[in]WL[420.396]
;B[gm]CR[gm]BL[434.565]
;W[fk]CR[fk]WL[416.35]
;B[gl]CR[gl]BL[431.58]
;W[ej]CR[ej]WL[410.8]
;B[di]CR[di]BL[427.109]
;W[ll]CR[ll]WL[390.345]
;B[il]CR[il]BL[420.994]
;W[jm]CR[jm]WL[388.226]
;B[hi]CR[hi]BL[415.598]
;W[gi]CR[gi]WL[379.562]
;B[hj]CR[hj]BL[407.4]
;W[gh]CR[gh]WL[376.633]
;B[ki]CR[ki]BL[403.222]
;W[nm]CR[nm]WL[370.909]
;B[kr]CR[kr]BL[398.712]
;W[jr]CR[jr]WL[362.965]
;B[jo]CR[jo]BL[393.167]
;W[io]CR[io]WL[360.346]
;B[kq]CR[kq]BL[387.72]
;W[jq]CR[jq]WL[350.64]
;B[jp]CR[jp]BL[379.177]
;W[ls]CR[ls]WL[348.467]
;B[ms]CR[ms]BL[370.016]
;W[ks]CR[ks]WL[346.333]
;B[ip]CR[ip]BL[364.155]
;W[hp]CR[hp]WL[344.989]
;B[hq]CR[hq]BL[357.103]
;W[hr]CR[hr]WL[342.593]
;B[gr]CR[gr]BL[350.79]
;W[gq]CR[gq]WL[340.857]
;B[ho]CR[ho]BL[343.501]
;W[gs]CR[gs]WL[314.448]
;B[fr]CR[fr]BL[329.912]
;W[is]CR[is]WL[291.827]
;B[kl]CR[kl]BL[322.727]
;W[km]CR[km]WL[287.847]
;B[lr]CR[lr]BL[316.739]
;W[ko]CR[ko]WL[231.837]
;B[gp]CR[gp]BL[308.342]
;W[hq]CR[hq]WL[229.235]
;B[fs]CR[fs]BL[299.861]
;W[jn]CR[jn]WL[223.527]
;B[kp]CR[kp]BL[295.082]
;W[ln]CR[ln]WL[185.451]
;B[ns]CR[ns]BL[289.314]
;W[qs]CR[qs]WL[178.786]
;B[js]CR[js]BL[281.692]
;W[ks]CR[ks]WL[176.124]
;B[os]CR[os]BL[273.667]
;W[mo]CR[mo]WL[169.572]
;B[id]CR[id]BL[263.618]
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;W[jf]CR[jf]WL[135.386]
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;W[if]CR[if]WL[131.652]
;B[je]CR[je]BL[238.191]
;W[ke]CR[ke]WL[130.02]
;B[eg]CR[eg]BL[231.04]
;W[ff]CR[ff]WL[124.648]
;B[hs]CR[hs]BL[223.193]
;W[op]CR[op]WL[117.299]
;B[kn]CR[kn]BL[217.299]
;W[oq]CR[oq]WL[113.708]
;B[jb]CR[jb]BL[210.63]
;W[kg]CR[kg]WL[96.123]
;B[kd]CR[kd]BL[205.682]
;W[ld]CR[ld]WL[92.194]
;B[kc]CR[kc]BL[200.087]
;W[le]CR[le]WL[90.372]
;B[lc]CR[lc]BL[195.012]
;W[ne]CR[ne]WL[86.177]
;B[nf]CR[nf]BL[189.49]
;W[lh]CR[lh]WL[77.458]
;B[rm]CR[rm]BL[177.381]
;W[rn]CR[rn]WL[66.777]
;B[sn]CR[sn]BL[174.006]
;W[so]CR[so]WL[64.782]
;B[sm]CR[sm]BL[170.522]
;W[qc]CR[qc]WL[61.659]
;B[rd]CR[rd]BL[165.304]
;W[li]CR[li]WL[56.667]
;B[ob]CR[ob]BL[158.237]
;W[nb]CR[nb]WL[52.067]
;B[od]CR[od]BL[153.68]
;W[kj]CR[kj]WL[46.243]
;B[jj]CR[jj]BL[145.685]
;W[ji]CR[ji]WL[43.51]
;B[ii]CR[ii]BL[135.6]
;W[jh]CR[jh]WL[39.107]
;B[kk]CR[kk]BL[127.581]
;W[lj]CR[lj]WL[36.921]
;B[ls]CR[ls]
;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[js]CR[js]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[hs]CR[hs]
;W[ks]CR[ks])

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