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Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime
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Karsten Hilbert |
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Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime |
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Wed, 3 May 2006 17:56:20 +0200 |
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On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 08:26:29AM -0700, Jim Busser wrote:
> I had thought (maybe incorrectly) that there can exist a "lag"
> between information that can be written on the primary (master)
> server, and information that has been "conveyed/written/replicated"
> to the slave.
There can, yes.
> So if a master table should get corrupted the WAL
> could serve as a source of information added since the last dump.
Yes, for this you need to use PITR which includes information from the WAL.
> Do Postgres tables never get corrupted?
They do. Bugs in PG, defective discs.
> >>- is it recommended or required that the database to be fully
> >>logged off, so that it is in an unambiguous or "clean" state (no
> >>unprocessed transactions) at the time of the dump?
> Is Postgres different from (say) MySQL in this regard?
Why, of course. That's why we chose one over the other.
> In reference to backing up, articles say
>
> >>>One of the difficulties with a large and active MySQL database is
> >>>making clean backups without having to bring the server down.
Such things don't apply to PostgreSQL.
> >>>Otherwise, a backup may slow down the system and there may be
> >>>inconsistency with data, since related tables may be changed
> >>>while another is being backed up.
No such crap is heard of in the vicinity of PostgreSQL.
Would you even consider accepting any such thing to drive
your clinical database ?
> I didn't mean "clean" in terms of data quality ("non-crap"), I just
> meant complete and unambiguous, i.e. no tables being modified at the
> time of the backup, so that the "state of completeness" of the dump
> could be better known.
A dump is run inside a transaction as well so the snapshot
the dump process sees does not change in any way until the
dump is completed.
> How would the dump process choose where to
> begin and end if there is concurrent activity?
It does not care about concurrent activity. It takes a
*snapshot* of the database when it starts. Whatever happens
past that it does not even see let alone be able to care
about. Snapshots are guaranteed to happen at transaction
boundaries.
> May it not be helpful,
> to be able to know that a brief work stoppage associated with a
> certain date/time assures that all records to that point are "intact"
> in the backup?
Using PostgreSQL it is simply not necessary.
As for *internal* *business-level* consistency this all
depends on the application committing non-crap transactions.
Karsten
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- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, James Busser, 2006/05/01
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, Karsten Hilbert, 2006/05/01
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, James Busser, 2006/05/03
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, Karsten Hilbert, 2006/05/03
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, Tim Churches, 2006/05/03
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, Tim Churches, 2006/05/03
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, James Busser, 2006/05/03
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, Tim Churches, 2006/05/03
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, James Busser, 2006/05/04
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, Tim Churches, 2006/05/04
- Re: [Gnumed-devel] Approaches to maintain clinical data uptime, Karsten Hilbert, 2006/05/04