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[Gnumed-devel] Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 18


From: Rogerio Luz
Subject: [Gnumed-devel] Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 18
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:33:12 -0300

Is there a local DB in the CVS version?

I can´t find it :)

Seems the 0.3 version is far superior, congrats ... how long do we have to wait before we can install it and run it from localhost ?

Rogerio

2008/8/9 Rogerio Luz <address@hidden>
Karsten can you modify my prefs. to receive individual mails instead of daily digest?

I can´t seem findo another way of doing it besides exiting the list and then entering it again

Thanks :)

Rogerio

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Today's Topics:

  1. EMR export (Jerzy Luszawski)
  2. Re: EMR export (Karsten Hilbert)
  3. Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17 (Rogerio Luz)
  4. Re: Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17 (Karsten Hilbert)
  5. Re: Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17 (Karsten Hilbert)
  6. encounter edit before final save (Jerzy Luszawski)


---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
From: Jerzy Luszawski <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 00:37:12 +0200
Subject: [Gnumed-devel] EMR export
Are there any plugins for EMR *export*? To share/push data to other HL7 aware
applications (or maybe OSHIP?). Or is this only plan for distant future?

Jerzy





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From: Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:15:59 +0200
Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] EMR export
On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 12:37:12AM +0200, Jerzy Luszawski wrote:

> Are there any plugins for EMR *export*?

There is currently:

- export as copy of the Journal
- exort as a structured ASCII text (not REST)
- export into a specific format suitable for import into
 Medistar (a German practice management application)

> To share/push data to other HL7 aware applications
Not in the short term*

> (or maybe OSHIP?).
That is more likely.

> Or is this only plan for distant future?

I would say the future is defined by use cases. A good use
case and someone who works towards that use case go a long
way of making something happen. Even hl7 or CDA or whatever.

Jim worked towards getting measurements support in and 0.3
has it (not all of it but sufficient support for it to be
usable).

Karsten
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From: "Rogerio Luz" <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 18:13:30 -0300
Subject: [Gnumed-devel] Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17
My biggest trouble with any EMR is this:
 
Internationability is always a shot in the foot. When people try to make it work automatically for one country all the other languages/countries suffer.
 
Here is my biggest grudge with my second attempt to make a real live consult with GNUmed:
- the hierarchy of Health issue / encounter / episode is rather confusing for me.
- the impossibility to edit anything after it is done but BEFORE I close the consult
 
*example the EMR in use in my day job - wich is awfull by all accounts - lets you edit anything , untill you press the save buttton, form then on no editing is possible, and even seeing the data stored is restricted - for example Docs can see everything, nurses can see everything except Docs-edited records (they can see only the headers), staff and administrative personel can see only the headers and what level they can make.
 
* There is a relatively odd feature, Docs can see everything, but cut/copy only works if the Doc that made the registry is doing it, say I want to copy Dr. Karsten "patient orientations" ... I cannot, but Dr. Karsten can ... ;)
 
- Is there a way to alter the EMR so it can have tabs that I choose (for example - smoking status in the begining of any consult?) or is it too much code medling ?
 
- I still have problems with redimensioning some fields, will get back to you guys with the log and messages as soon as I get home :)
 
Well I hope I am being of some help :)
 
Rogerio
 
PS: I tried to make a poedit database to facilitate my translation, but crashed, anyone ever did this? :)

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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Re: GNUmed users (Karsten Hilbert)
  2. Re: GNUmed users (Gour)
  3. Re: Re: GNUmed users (Karsten Hilbert)


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From: "Karsten Hilbert" <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:35:48 +0200
Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] Re: GNUmed users
> Have you considered  Simple Invoices (http://www.simpleinvoices.org/) as
> minimal billing application

I have indeed taken a look at it and it seems useful for simple billing. I am certainly not opposed
to have it hooked up with GNUmed.

> which in its dev version supports Postgresql
> ("our development version of Simple Invoices uses PDO and a postgres
> port has been done" - see

That, of course, makes it a more feasible choice.

> btw, yesterday I went into local bookstore and bought Learning Python
> 3rd ed. book in order to properly learn Python ;)

For anyone having done (and conceptually understood) any programming at all Python should be
rather easy to pick up. One thing to remember about Python is that "everything is a name". A name
is a bit like a pointer pointing to something "real".

Karsten
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From: Gour <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:30:18 +0200
Subject: [Gnumed-devel] Re: GNUmed users
>>>>> "Karsten" == Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden> writes:

Karsten> I have indeed taken a look at it and it seems useful for simple
Karsten> billing. I am certainly not opposed to have it hooked up with
Karsten> GNUmed.

Good.

Karsten> For anyone having done (and conceptually understood) any
Karsten> programming at all Python should be rather easy to pick up. One
Karsten> thing to remember about Python is that "everything is a
Karsten> name". A name is a bit like a pointer pointing to something
Karsten> "real".

I did programming in the past, but only with imperative languages and
recently, while learning Haskell, I was thinking a lot in functional
style. Fortunately, Python has some nice support for functional
programming where everything is _expression_.


Sincerely,
Gour


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---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
From: Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:05:55 +0200
Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] Re: GNUmed users
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 06:30:18AM +0200, Gour wrote:

> Karsten> I have indeed taken a look at it and it seems useful for simple
> Karsten> billing. I am certainly not opposed to have it hooked up with
> Karsten> GNUmed.
>
> Good.

The low-hanging fruit approach would seem to be to enhance
GNUmed with a) a function to add/delete/modify billers and
bill receivers in the Simple Invoices database directly.

Karsten
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From: Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:50:19 +0200
Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 06:13:30PM -0300, Rogerio Luz wrote:

> - the hierarchy of Health issue / encounter / episode is rather confusing
> for me.

Well, the easy steps are:

1) ignore health issues
2) encounter is the consultation
3) episodes are the illnesses you work on during consultations

That's it.

If you want to get a deeper understanding:

       http://wiki.gnumed.de/bin/view/Gnumed/BasicEmrConcept

Health issues are things like "Diabetes type II" (the
patient always has it) while episodes are things like
"common cold" (the patient only has it for a while).

Tell me your speciality and I will give you an appropriate
example.

Karsten
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---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
From: Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:51:34 +0200
Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] Re: Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 69, Issue 17
On Fri, Aug 08, 2008 at 06:13:30PM -0300, Rogerio Luz wrote:

> - the impossibility to edit anything after it is done but BEFORE I close the
> consult
I expect this to be improved in 0.4 which will let you edit
the current encounter (your own notes in it, that is).

Karsten
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---------- Mensagem encaminhada ----------
From: Jerzy Luszawski <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 01:02:16 +0200
Subject: [Gnumed-devel] encounter edit before final save
Friday 08 August 2008 23:13:30 Rogerio Luz napisał(a):

> Here is my biggest grudge with my second attempt to make a real live
> consult with GNUmed:
(...)
> - the impossibility to edit anything after it is done but BEFORE I close
> the consult
That's also a big trouble for me. As far as I understand, the purpose of
auditing is to make changes possible, but preserve the history - right?
So why disable editing? At least it should be possible to switch notebook tabs
and get back to progress tab to make additions/corrections until
clicked "save" button, which will close the encounter, like Rogerio suggests.
For now - it is almost unusable for me and my friends, so I planned to change
it anyway.
Karsten - would be it much work if you were to change it? I would rather stick
to radiology and surgery report handling I try to prepare.



Jerzy Luszawski




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