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Re: [Gnumed-devel] Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1


From: Ismail Adegbenga
Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] Gnumed-devel Digest, Vol 114, Issue 1
Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 13:08:58 +0100

A live demonstration of Gnumed in use is a very good way for any anyone to interact with the application and decide if it will be useful in their particula settings.

Inviting these people to the conference will be a good way to do this.

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>      1. presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Sebastian Hilbert)
>      2. Re: presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Busser, Jim)
>      3. Re: presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Sebastian Hilbert)
>      4. Re: presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Liz)
>      5. Re: presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Karsten Hilbert)
>      6. Re: presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Karsten Hilbert)
>      7. Re: presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Liz)
>      8. Re: presenting GNUmed to newcomers (Sebastian Hilbert)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 19:27:40 +0200
> From: Sebastian Hilbert <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
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> Hi all,
>
> An interesting thing happened today. I was asked to make possible the
> impossible.
>
> A friend called me and said that he talked to someone who might be
> interested  in GNUmed for small rural doctor's offices.
>
> I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
>
> a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> b) does not require the interested person to install some viewer (e.g.
> VMplayer)
> c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> d) is not a video
> e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings
>
> So let's review what we have.
>
> 1.) Windows installer (frozen) - unacceptable
> 2.) Mac-"installer" - we don't have one
> 3.) Live-DVD - is GNU/Linux based but is potentially acceptable
> 4.) VMware image - requires VMPlayer
> 5.) Short videos - unacceptable and outdated
> 6.) Various Talks - unacceptable
>
> So for a second I thought it is impossible to find a solution for this.
> Then I  remembered Wubi. It is a way to run Ubuntu inside a running MS
> Windows.
>
> I will give it a try. Maybe GNUmed can be configured to run inside Wubi.
>
> If you have any other idea let me know.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 18:14:44 +0000
> From: "Busser, Jim" <address@hidden>
> To: Sebastian Hilbert <address@hidden>
> Cc: "<address@hidden>" <address@hidden>
> Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
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> On 2012-05-02, at 10:27 AM, Sebastian Hilbert wrote:
>
> > I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
> >
> > a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> > b) does not require the interested person to install some viewer (e.g.
> > VMplayer)
> > c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> > d) is not a video
> > e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> > f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> > g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings
>
> This isn;t clear enough. What is wanted...
>
> (a) a fully-interactive GNUmed, or
>
> (b) one or more examples of GNUmed running?
>
> What next is meant by "no installation"? I suppose if we deliver to
> people a Windows computer pre-loaded with GNUmed, then they could have a
> demonstration without needing to install anything. The only other option
> here, short of a live DVD, would be for the possibly-interested to be
> able to remotely access and control (i.e. run a session on) such a
> pre-loaded computer.
>
> There is a term for remotely-controllable computers, I believe it is
> "zombies". It is possible to provide managed, remote logon to such
> computers, I only don't know the acceptability of the performance or how
> we would want to go about providing the computers and the access.
>
> Otherwise, we are talking only examples of GNUmed running. if a "movie"
> is out, then perhaps "mimi-movies".
>
> -- Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 02 May 2012 20:26:59 +0200
> From: Sebastian Hilbert <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 06:14:44 PM Busser, Jim wrote:
> > On 2012-05-02, at 10:27 AM, Sebastian Hilbert wrote:
> > > I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
> > >
> > > a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> > > b) does not require the interested person to install some viewer
> > > (e.g. VMplayer)
> > > c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> > > d) is not a video
> > > e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> > > f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> > > g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings
> >
> > This isn;t clear enough. What is wanted...
> >
> > (a) a fully-interactive GNUmed, or
> >
> the above.
>
> > (b) one or more examples of GNUmed running?
> >
> not if it involves pre-recording.
>
> > What next is meant by "no installation"? I suppose if we deliver to
> > people a Windows computer pre-loaded with GNUmed, then they could have
> > a demonstration without needing to install anything. The only other
> > option here, short of a live DVD, would be for the possibly-interested
> > to be able to remotely access and control (i.e. run a session on) such
> > a pre-loaded computer.
> >
> > There is a term for remotely-controllable computers, I believe it is
> > "zombies". It is possible to provide managed, remote logon to such
> > computers, I only don't know the acceptability of the performance or
> > how we would want to go about providing the computers and the access.
> >
> Perfomance over DSL-line could be acceptable. Since they did not want
> anything  internet-dependent this is out.
>
> If anyone seriously wants to have a look they will install it. If they
> cannot  install it they will watch movies. If they are desperate they
> will get someone  to install it.

> > Otherwise, we are talking only examples of GNUmed running. if a
> > "movie" is out, then perhaps "mimi-movies".
> >
>
> I am not Merlin. I am not aware of any software that is presented the
> way that  is outlined above. We would be ahead of the curve if we would
> supply Wubi- based media (e.g. thumbdrives). For Macs I have no idea.
> The client would be  straightforward. The server part not so I think.
> This is no sqlite server  after all.
>
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 06:30:46 +1000
> From: Liz <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Wed, 02 May 2012 20:26:59 +0200
> Sebastian Hilbert <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 06:14:44 PM Busser, Jim wrote:
> > > On 2012-05-02, at 10:27 AM, Sebastian Hilbert wrote: 
> > > > I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
> > > >
> > > > a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> > > > b) does not require the interested person to install some viewer
> > > > (e.g. VMplayer)
> > > > c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> > > > d) is not a video
> > > > e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> > > > f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> > > > g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings 
> > >
> > > This isn;t clear enough. What is wanted...
> > >
> > > (a) a fully-interactive GNUmed, or
> > >
> > the above.
> >
> > > (b) one or more examples of GNUmed running?
> > >
> > not if it involves pre-recording.
>
> Honestly, they need to visit somewhere using Gnumed if they don't want
> it installed on any of their computer gear.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:45:26 +0200
> From: Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 08:26:59PM +0200, Hilbert, Sebastian wrote:
>
> > > > I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
>
> > > (a) a fully-interactive GNUmed
>
> > > > a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> > > > b) does not require the interested person to install some viewer
> > > > (e.g. VMplayer)
> > > > c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> > > > d) is not a video
> > > > e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> > > > f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> > > > g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings
>
> Tell you what, my knee jerk reaction would be: get lost.
>
> Thanks God there's better people than me doing PR around here :-)
>
> It doesn't say anything about "no cost", so, sell them two
> laptops, one running MacOSX, one running Windows, both with
> GNUmed preinstalled, one of them configured as server.
>
> Karsten
> --
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 22:47:12 +0200
> From: Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 06:30:46AM +1000, Liz wrote:
>
> > > > > I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
> > > > >
> > > > > a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> > > > > b) does not require the interested person to install some viewer
> > > > > (e.g. VMplayer)
> > > > > c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> > > > > d) is not a video
> > > > > e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> > > > > f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> > > > > g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings 
> ...
> > > > (a) a fully-interactive GNUmed
> ...
> > Honestly, they need to visit somewhere using Gnumed if they don't want
> > it installed on any of their computer gear.
>
> Brilliant, I hadn't thought of that.
>
> They could come visit us at the conference May 19th.
>
> However, I'd assume a hidden requirement is "we can fiddle
> with it at our leisure at home".
>
> Karsten
> --
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:04:56 +1000
> From: Liz <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> On Wed, 2 May 2012 22:47:12 +0200
> Karsten Hilbert <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 06:30:46AM +1000, Liz wrote:
> >
> > > > > > I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> > > > > > b) does not require the interested person to install some
> > > > > > viewer (e.g. VMplayer)
> > > > > > c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> > > > > > d) is not a video
> > > > > > e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> > > > > > f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> > > > > > g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings 
> > ...
> > > > > (a) a fully-interactive GNUmed
> > ...
> > > Honestly, they need to visit somewhere using Gnumed if they don't
> > > want it installed on any of their computer gear.
> >
> > Brilliant, I hadn't thought of that.
> >
> > They could come visit us at the conference May 19th.
> >
> > However, I'd assume a hidden requirement is "we can fiddle
> > with it at our leisure at home".
> >
> > Karsten
>
> But now you have two good options - come and visit us, or we sell you a
> laptop or two preinstalled.
> Last time I bought a major computer program three of us took a day
> visit to another surgery using it. Small cost compared to getting
> something that wasn't right. Only hassle was it was in Melbourne, about
> 500km away.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 03 May 2012 05:29:44 +0200
> From: Sebastian Hilbert <address@hidden>
> To: address@hidden
> Subject: Re: [Gnumed-devel] presenting GNUmed to newcomers
> Message-ID: <address@hidden>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> On Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:47:12 PM Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> > On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 06:30:46AM +1000, Liz wrote:
> > > > > > I was asked to provide demonstrational material that
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a) does not require the interested person to install GNUmed
> > > > > > b) does not require the interested person to install some
> > > > > > viewer (e.g. VMplayer)
> > > > > > c) runs without installation, preferably on Windows
> > > > > > d) is not a video
> > > > > > e) is not a e.g. Powerpoint presentation
> > > > > > f) runs on a Mac and Windows
> > > > > > g) can be run/demonstrated in non-internet settings
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > > > (a) a fully-interactive GNUmed
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > Honestly, they need to visit somewhere using Gnumed if they don't
> > > want it installed on any of their computer gear.
> >
> > Brilliant, I hadn't thought of that.
> >
> > They could come visit us at the conference May 19th.
> >
> > However, I'd assume a hidden requirement is "we can fiddle
> > with it at our leisure at home".
> >
>
> Exactly
>
> Sebastian
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