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Re: [GNUnet-developers] GNUnet mail ?

From: Marcos D. Marado Torres
Subject: Re: [GNUnet-developers] GNUnet mail ?
Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 18:01:56 -0000

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On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Christian Grothoff wrote:

Any suggestions, Christian?


Second, there is the aspect of protocol discussion and development.  A couple
of week back I already discussed an improved chat protocol with a few people
on IRC.  What I suggested was to start a WWW page to organize the discussion,
list design goals and ideas, just like what was organized for the namespaces
and directories.  Plan first, then hack.

I agree... Maybe a Wiki would help on that...
As I told previously on this mailing list, I think it should be awsome if
GNUnet had some "talker-like" chat system. If there's a wiki or such where
people can discuss and show their ideas about the "future" of gnunet-chat maybe
we'll get into that...

Same goes for what you proposed for GNUnet mail.  I believe that running it
over AFS does not make too much sense, the requirements are probably too
different.  Which goes in line with what Benjamin said here, mail would
possibly be a completely different protocol (just like chat).  I have thought
about this before, but no conclusive complete design has emerged so far.  If
someone wants to write up his ideas in HTML and put them up for discussion,
please do so.  But we need some basic *design* document to start the
discussion from.  Either way, this is not going to happen anytime soon.

Once again, I think that a wiki should be ideal for this. But, looking to the
cyurrent amount of GNUnet hackers, I wuold say that first GNUnet itself (Mantis
stuff and the other things you said), then gnunet-chat, and only than the mail
system. Or, perheaps, when the time comes there's more people developing GNUnet
(there's no problem in having hope! ;-)) and there can be parallel

Nevertheless, here are some features you may want to think about:
anonymity/pseudonymity, economic viability (contribute => be able to use the
system, spammers would have to contribute huge amounts of resources),
mailinglists (how to distinguish from spammers? moderation? sign-on/sign-off
protocol?, encrypted mail to mailinglists?), distributed storage (replicate
E-mail to avoid loosing it and ensure availability), integration with
existing mail clients (SMTP/POP/IMAP?), integration with existing mail
protocols (do we want exit-nodes / entry nodes or do we leave that to

Now, what of these do you want?  Why?  What other features do you need? How to
do it?  What infrastructure do you need to do it (I smell DHTs, but you may
have other ideas)?

Maybe that discussion should be left for the wiki/html/whatever?


Best regards,
Mind Booster Noori

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