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Re: [RFC] [PATCH]: Icon themability patch for -GUI images/icons

From: Fred Kiefer
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH]: Icon themability patch for -GUI images/icons
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:41:07 +0100
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Hi Quentin,

Quentin Mathé wrote:
Le 30 oct. 04, à 17:16, Fred Kiefer a écrit :

Sorry, I am actually getting bored of this and most other pseudo-discussions going on in the GNUstep mailing lists. Perhaps I should think about dropping out of them.

Could you explain what you mean here ? … or tell us what are the pseudo-discussions you are talking about ? I would like to know to avoid such position on your side and have more friendly and progressive discussions.

nice of you to ask. I was refering to the fact that we already had a similar discussion on icon themes before and to the discussion on anti-aliased fonts for xlib and to bits of the discussion on the windows backend and ... You see, with the change I made for AA as the default in xlib most people that will see any difference are now worse off than before. (I explained why in a mail already) Still some argued very hard to get this default setting. I just don't understand them, and to be honest I don't want to understand them any more. This is not about making GNUstep a better environment. Or the statement in the discussion about what isn't working for the windows backend. Someone, and it may be the same someone, claimed that the pasteboard may not be working. He didn't even state, that it isn't working, which just means that he doesn't really care. But than, why bring up the topic? For me the windows backend hasn't been working for various reasons over the past few months, still I could always tell, what was actually broken and sometimes even how to fix it. BTW, it is still broken for me for all applications which only start a menu and not a window.

One basic pattern of these pseudo discussions seems to be that somebody states, that if a single feature would be added to GNUstep, than it would suddenly attract loads of users. Theming is one of these features that pop up from time to time. I am not against themes and theme support in GNUstep. GNUstep is already more themable than anyone, to my knowledge, exploits. You may change all the system colours by supplying a different system colour file. You may change most icons, by just editing the nsmapping.strings file. You may change many aspects of controls by overwriting the GSDrawFunctions class in a bundle. None of this ever gets used.

It may be that I have been hanging around in this mailing list for to long. The same arguments come up over and over again. And there is so much serious work still untouched.... For my own contribution to GNUstep, I am not that much proud on the new features, that I implemented (although there have been a few), but on the cleanup of code I did over the years. Now sometimes I even have the feeling that GNUstep may be degrading again. I know this is not actually true, still I get that feeling.


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