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Re: The goal of GNUstep 1.0 (Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work)

From: Dennis Leeuw
Subject: Re: The goal of GNUstep 1.0 (Why Unanimous Consent Doesn't Work)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:13:41 +0200
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Hi Richard,

Richard Frith-Macdonald wrote:
On 2005-10-26 08:49:52 +0100 Dennis Leeuw <address@hidden> wrote:

I think it is a clear goal. Something we can all agree on, I don't think there isn't anybody who doesn't want GNUstep to become 1.0. We just need a list of things to be done and a timeframe.

Personally I see three, largely independent targets that I think, we should be aiming for ...

Target one:
As already identified, gui/back reliability/polish/10.0-release ... proibably the most important target ...

The two gui/back issues that really annoy me are ...

1. window manager interaction ... I want clicking on windows to work *reliably*, so that when I click on any GNUstep window a. The application activates (shows its menu and panels, and raises the window clicked on).
b. The clicked winbdow starts accepting keyboard input
c. any other GNUstep application deactivates (hides its menu and panels)

2. popup/pulldown menu operation ... sometimes (often) popup menus seem to fail to track the mouse, so you can't select their buttons.

These points seem to me are THE goals for a 1.0 release. My question is about the next one. How much I would want to have Camaelon integrated I think it would be wise to move it to e.g. 1.1.
What do you think?

And the one new development I'd really like to see is ...

Camaelon integration into the gui. I have no particular need for it myself, but it's a good selling point and it's needed for my third main target.

<Cut the app part. Just to stay on the (changed) subject>

Target three:
ms-windows support ... we've made a lot of progress on this, but we *should* be taking it a lot further. Personally I want to run GNUstep on windows (when I have to use windows) and have it look/feel like GNUstep/NeXTstep. However, a lot of people want it to look/feel like windows, so we need to have a windows theme (and Camaeleon built into the gui as I mentioned above). We need windows backend/gui development work, and we need to be able to support both windows and OpenStep style inter-application communications (cut/paste, DnD, services, notifications, workspace/session management etc), though this isn't going to happen quickly and must be viewed as a long term goal.

Here my question is also, is Windows a 1.0 goal or should it be post-1.0?

Of course, there are many other things we want to do, but even concentrating on three main targets is a LOT of work, and I don't think having more than three formal goals is a good idea.

I think you are very right. We have to take little steps at a time. Thank you so much for this input. I think a task list is now emerging for a clear defined goal.

Let's here some more input!

With kind regards,

Dennis Leeuw

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