Re: Talks about HTTP server (Was: Re: Function move request.)

[Chan Maxthon]

Well the work on this server is progressing fast. I finished its HTTP protocol 
stack, using a library called GCDAsyncSocket (a public domain software) but 
sadly it depends on Apple's Security.framework and CFSocket. Can any of your 
guys go check it out a little and maybe port it to GNUstep using GSSocket and 
direct access to libssl?

发自我的 iPad

在 2013-5-17，17:53，Ivan Vučica <address@hidden> 写道：

> I recently tried GNUstepWeb and it worked for me on Debian. I think I used 
> everything from trunk.
> 
> Regarding WebUIKit, don't forget about Objective-J language and Cappuccino 
> framework. You convert xibs into cibs and load them directly. I'm writing a 
> university project in that plus Django; while everyone else is doing old 
> school work with PHP and possibly a templating system, plus either JavaScript 
> or lower level JS libraries, I was lazy. 
> 
> I hacked together a simple model with Django and exposed it via a RESTlike 
> API using Django REST Framework. I put together user interface in Interface 
> Builder, linked it to NSArrayControllers and linked array controllers to 
> simple wrapper objects around Ratatosk (an Objective-J framework for 
> accessing RESTlike APIs). It worked on day one; my mockups were screenshots, 
> my "static HTML" was a functional app, my database design was the Python code 
> for creating Django models. Not to mention 90% based on a tutorial I found, 
> and more than compliant with requirements for the class.
> 
> By far easiest web stuff I did, and I really recommend any Objective-C 
> developer that has to write a web application to look into Cappuccino and 
> Ratatosk. It's only suitable for full-blown desktop-like web apps, and not 
> for embedding into existing pages. But if you need a beautiful and complex 
> web app, this is something you should look at.
> 
> And if you'll be writing WebUIKit, why not base it on Objective-J and 
> Cappuccino's Foundation library? :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On 17. 5. 2013., at 01:28, Chan Maxthon <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
>> Well that thing never compiled for me, using trunk libobjc2 and trunk 
>> llvm/clang on my server, let alone I have portability in mind (Written under 
>> OS X, it is required to build on Linux as well, using trunk libobjc2, trunk 
>> llvm/clang and full Objective-C ARC.). And the reason I spawned this project 
>> is not only make a server, but also make using it easier. WebUIKit mimics 
>> iOS UIKit in behavior, very closely. (hence the namesake) To the extent that 
>> I will even create a way to write pages with embedded WebUIKit objects just 
>> like xibs.
>> 
>> 发自我的 iPad
>> 
>> 在 2013-5-17，6:25，Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf <address@hidden> 写道：
>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 16.05.2013 um 21:50 schrieb Maxthon Chan:
>>> 
>>>> Well it turned out that my darned project is forced into using 
>>>> CoreFoundation (I need CFRunLoop to manage some BSD sockets' lifetime, as 
>>>> it is a portable HTTP server written in Objective-C.)
>>>> 
>>>> If I recalled right, the first HTTP stack is written in Objective-C, on a 
>>>> NeXT box.
>>>> 
>>>> I have some web development experienced with ASP.net (as my current 
>>>> website homepage is written in C# hosted on a Linux server using Mono) 
>>>> while the web development suite for Objective-C, an equally powerful 
>>>> language as C#, is pretty much dead.
>>>> 
>>>> I analysed and discovered that in order to get the most out of ASP.net, 
>>>> Microsoft written their IIS in .net (version 7 up, I have a copy of 
>>>> Windows Server 2012 as a secondary OS on my MacBook Pro and the IIS 8 
>>>> shipped with it is pretty much all .net).
>>>> 
>>>> This lead me to think: can I write an equally powerful HTTP server in an 
>>>> equally powerful language, Objective-C, given its significance in the 
>>>> history of World Wide Web.
>>>> 
>>>> And since the Objective-C language have improved vastly over decades, can 
>>>> I implement something similar to ASP.net, hosted on this server which is 
>>>> itself written in Objective-C?
>>> 
>>> Have you ever heard of WebObjects? WebObjects was started by NeXT in 1995 
>>> and is an object oriented web framework originally written in ObjC (up to 
>>> version 4.5) but nowadays in Java (up to version 5.4.3) While still in use 
>>> at Apple internally (for the iTunes Store for instance) the last public 
>>> release was in 2008 and it has been deprecated by Apple. Never the less it 
>>> is still one of the most advanced web frameworks out there. Nowadays it is 
>>> still in use in several companies (like the one I work for) and has been 
>>> extended by a community driven effort (Project WOnder).
>>> 
>>> And now the best part: There is an free software clone of WebObjects 4.5 
>>> available. It is called GNUstepWeb. Get it here:
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.gnustep.org/index.php/GNUstepWeb
>>> http://svn.gna.org/svn/gnustep/libs/gsweb/trunk/
>>> 
>>> The documentation is still available at Apple:
>>> 
>>> http://developer.apple.com/legacy/library/#documentation/LegacyTechnologies/WebObjects/WebObjects_4.5/webobjects.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40006775
>>> 
>>> cheers,
>>> 
>>>  Lars
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