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Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix
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Christine Lemmer-Webber |
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Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix |
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Sat, 05 Feb 2022 19:40:35 -0500 |
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IMO, we have, that, and it is Guix. I'm actually quite happy about
that. :)
Specific-language-package-repos have caused a lot of the mess we're
currently in; in an unexpected way, it's hurt user freedom a lot,
because mixing these is so hard that software which might be otherwise
reproducible and usable by everyone becomes only deployable by "expert"
devops teams deploying ad-hoc container black boxes who are themselves
very overloaded and have a hard time keeping on top of what's going on.
Guix is great. I'd love Guix to become the universal package repository
for all FOSS languages. :)
- Christine
Mikael Djurfeldt <mikael@djurfeldt.com> writes:
> It would also be nice if we could have a Guile package repository.
>
> Den lör 5 feb. 2022 21:11Christine Lemmer-Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org>
> skrev:
>
> Hello!
>
> It's been a while since Guile was my main hacking environment; I've been
> returning to it, and one of the nicest things to change about its
> ecosystem is the presence of Guile Hall.
>
> I really, really like Guile Hall. A lot! I think it has room to grow
> but it fills a clearly missing piece of the Guile ecosystem while doing
> it in the best way possible: making itself explicitly compatible with
> Guix.
>
> I thought I'd write down some impressions while everything is fresh.
>
> - Its ability to make an autotools-compatible tarball, but without me
> needing to think about autotools at all, is a real delight.
>
> - Its test suite stuff is also really nice.
>
> - I found myself surprised that hall.scm is "just data", instead of
> taking the more guix'y approach of being code that actually builds a
> datastucture. I'm not sure what the goal of this is; there can be
> reasons to take that approach but I'm not sure what it is here?
> My assumption is that the main reason is so that "hall scan" can
> correctly read and then modify and spit out another file, but I'm
> not sure.
>
> - What I would actually *really* like would be for the Hall package
> definition structure to be a wrapper *around* the Guix package
> structure. Then the guix.scm would be really simple: it could just
> "peel off" the outer struct. If I wanted to do some smart
> modifications of things from there maybe I could. I dunno, something
> like this.
>
> - "hall scan" is really cool, but I kind of wish I didn't need to use
> it. I'd rather not keep track of any of this stuff at all.
> I'd be happy just pointing some code at a directory and say "snarf
> up all the .scm files you see therein!"
>
> - I'm currently writing a manual starting in a .org file that's then
> converted into a .texi file. I'd prefer if I could find an
> entrypoint to insert this into the compilation workflow: a pre-step
> to the docs compilation that generates the .texi file *from* my
> .org file.
>
> - On that note, it strikes me that Hall's integration with autotools
> is great because it means that existing distros don't need to be
> aware of Guile *or* Guix. But it also means that Hall probably has
> all of the information that it could do all the steps that autoconf
> and automake do too. That might be interesting to see that.
>
> Anyway, just some thoughts. Making Guile packages is already much less
> intimidating now thanks to Hall's work. Thank you for it!
>
> - Christine
- Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Christine Lemmer-Webber, 2022/02/05
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Mikael Djurfeldt, 2022/02/05
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Jose Antonio Ortega Ruiz, 2022/02/05
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix,
Christine Lemmer-Webber <=
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Aleix Conchillo Flaqué, 2022/02/05
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Mikael Djurfeldt, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Ricardo Wurmus, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Vijay Marupudi, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Ognen Duzlevski, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Maxime Devos, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Vijay Marupudi, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, Zelphir Kaltstahl, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, David Pirotte, 2022/02/06
- Re: Newbie thoughts on Guile Hall + Guix, David Pirotte, 2022/02/06