Re: [Health-dev] FW: Re: Integration GNU Health and Orthanc Test

[Wei Zhao]

Hello Feng,

> I still suggest just use a module, we seem to not support other PACS in the 
> future, so I think split to modules more harm than good.
Ok, I can merge the two modules in one. You must wait since I need to change 
documentation as well.

> I do not understand who will using this function in hospital:

> 1. outpatient doctor:
This is the content of the image data. Quick Access to images: Ability to view 
relevant images quickly for diagnostic and follow-up purposes.
Diagnosis and Treatment Planning: A DICOM series provides detailed images that 
help in diagnosing the patient's condition and planning treatment. Patient 
Communication, The images can be used to explain conditions and treatment 
options to patients for understanding.

> 2. examination technician
Image Acquisition Quality Assurance: Technicians can review the DICOM series to 
ensure that the images are of high quality and meet the diagnostic requirements 
before concluding the imaging session.

Procedure Optimization: Technicians can adjust imaging protocols based on the 
initial series to get better images if necessary, ensuring the best possible 
diagnostic outcomes.

> 3. imaging reporting doctor
Detailed Analysis: Radiologists or other reporting doctors use the DICOM series 
to perform a thorough analysis. Etc.

> 4. information technology department
The IT department manages the storage, retrieval, and transmission of DICOM 
series. They ensure that the images are stored securely and are accessible to 
authorized personnel. For Compliance and security etc.

In my opintion, this tool is orthanc manager tool, similar orthanc-tools: 
https://github.com/salimkanoun/Orthanc-Tools-JS

> If so, I suggest add Dicom Tag Edit feature.

DICOM image data is immutable. If you manually change the DICOM image data, a 
copy is automatically created in Orthanc, resulting in the loss of medical 
value and traceability.

Best regards,
Wei



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From: Feng Shu <tumashu@163.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2024 12:14 AM
To: Wei Zhao <wei.zhao@uclouvain.be>
Cc: health-dev@gnu.org <health-dev@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: FW: Re:[Health-dev] Integration GNU Health and Orthanc Test

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Wei Zhao <wei.zhao@uclouvain.be> writes:

> Hello,
>
> 1.why split two modules instead just one?
>
> We wanted to clearly separate the configuration of Orthanc connections
> from the imaging study management and visualization as we plan to the
> extend the latter and expect that users will request changes and more 
> functions for it.  But merging them into one module would be possible.

I still suggest just use a module, we seem to not support other PACS in the 
future, so I think split to modules more harm than good.


>
>
>
> 2.when i installed two modules, i can not uninstall them, you can test 
> unstall.
>
> Can you explain what you tried to uninstall them. We have not packaged
> them, so the installation is manual at the moment.

Sorry, not unintall, deactive module in module list.

>
>
>
> 3.Orthanc and Orthanc Config, two menu in configure seem to let we
> confuse,
>
> The name  “Orthanc Config” is just a preliminary name we gave it to
> differentiate it from the existing “Orthanc” menu entry. Our
> implementation of the Orthanc integration is unfortunately not
> compatible with the existing “health_orthanc” module since its models and 
> workflow are very different. Can you advise us on a naming strategy?

Maybe can use:

   Configuation/Radiology/Orthanc

We can change exist Configuation/Orthanc to

   Configuation/Imaging/Orthanc




>
>
>
> 4. plugin gettext feature may not work well
>
> Could you please give me more information on this?

you can see: 
https://codeberg.org/gnuhealth/his-client-plugins/src/branch/main/screenshot/__init__.py


def get_gettext():
    try:
        localedir = os.path.dirname(os.path.abspath(__file__)) + '/locale'
        lang = gettext.translation('screenshot', localedir=localedir)
        return lang.gettext
    except:
        return gettext.gettext


def xxx(data):
    _ = get_gettext()


>
>
>
> 5. what main different of health-orthanc and this module?
>
> Compared to “health_orthanc”, our two new modules
> “health_orthanc_configuration” and “health_radiology”) can do the following:
>
> * Upload DICOM files from gnuhealth-client to Orthanc server (with our
> new plugin)
>
> * Manage imaging studies from gnuhealth-client (fetching list of
> studies from Orthanc server, deleting studies,
>  etc.)
>
> * Mapping patient in GNU Health to patient in imaging study as stored
> on the Orthanc server, as it is possible  that the names are different and 
> once a DICOM study has been created it is immutable.
>
> * Viewing imaging studies by clicking URL (without exposing the
> Orthanc Explorer to end user)
>
> * Viewing imaging series and individual instances (image slices) from
> gnuhealth
>

I do not understand who will using this function in hospital:

1. outpatient doctor
2. examination technician
3. imaging reporting doctor
4. information technology department

In my opintion, this tool is orthanc manager tool, similar orthanc-tools: 
https://github.com/salimkanoun/Orthanc-Tools-JS

If so, I suggest add Dicom Tag Edit feature.


>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Wei
>
>
>
>
>
> From: tumashu <tumashu@163.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2024 4:49 PM
> To: health-dev@gnu.org <health-dev@gnu.org>
> Cc: Wei Zhao <wei.zhao@uclouvain.be>; Sébastien Jodogne
> <sebastien.jodogne@uclouvain.be>
> Subject: Re:[Health-dev] Integration GNU Health and Orthanc Test
>
>
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> I have try this branch last week, and have some question:
>
> 1.  why split two modules instead just one?
>
> 2.  when i installed two modules, i can not uninstall them, you can test 
> unstall.
>
> 3.  Orthanc and Orthanc Config, two menu in configure seem to let we
> confuse,
>
> 4. plugin gettext feature may not work well
>
> 5.  what main different of health-orthanc and this module?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> 在 2024-06-25 22:15:20，"Wei Zhao via Health-dev" <health-dev@gnu.org>
> 写道：
>
>  Dear all,
>
>
>
>  I am Wei Zhao, a researcher at UCLouvain in the medical informatics
> laboratory of Prof. Sébastien Jodogne,  the founder of Orthanc PACS.
> We have recently developed two new modules to integrate GNU Health
> with  Orthanc. The aim of this project is to provide radiological imaging 
> capabilities to professionals using GNU  Health.
>
>
>
>  The two modules are now ready and entering the testing phase. I would
> like to invite you to participate in  testing them. I am available to answer 
> any questions you may have.
>
>
>
>  I have provided a test form that outlines the project's goals and key
> details of the testing process. There  are also detailed instructions
> how to install the modules in a gnuhealth environment. You can get all
> the  information here:
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>  Two pre-configured Virtual Machine included integrated modules are
> available on request. Please reply to  my mail to receive them.
>
>  Thank you very much for your support. We look forward to your participation 
> and valuable feedback.
>
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Wei

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