Re: [Health] Health Digest, Vol 47, Issue 14

[Andy Aroditis]

Have you looked at companies that provide EMPI software. They use demographic 
data to identify patients uniquely. They can use name, address, phones, gender 
and date of birth to name a few.



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>> On 2015-06-16 09:31, Robert Schilt wrote:
>> I don't think so. We are looking at Biometrics for the purpose of uniquely
>> identifying patients. Not for staff to logon to the systems.
> 
> So why is something like Social Security Number not enough?
> By the way, a party has a unique code assigned by the system for exactly
> this purpose.
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> Thanks for your ideas and comments on this one.
> 
> Basically, there is no such thing as a social security number in PNG. The
> government is currently trying to introduce a national ID card but is still
> some years away. Furthermore, peoples names can change from visit to visit
> (the concept of a fixed name is a very alien concept to many tribal folks
> around the world - not only PNG). The concept of uniquely ID'ing a patient
> easily is therefore a pre-req for any HIS in this part of the world.
> 
> If anyone on this forum has been faced with the same challenge we are open
> to ideas.
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>> On 16 June 2015 at 16:37, C?dric Krier <address@hidden> wrote:
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>>> On 2015-06-16 09:31, Robert Schilt wrote:
>>> I don't think so. We are looking at Biometrics for the purpose of
>> uniquely
>>> identifying patients. Not for staff to logon to the systems.
>> 
>> So why is something like Social Security Number not enough?
>> By the way, a party has a unique code assigned by the system for exactly
>> this purpose.
>> 
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> From: C?dric Krier <address@hidden>
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>> On 2015-06-16 17:08, Robert Schilt wrote:
>> Thanks for your ideas and comments on this one.
>> 
>> Basically, there is no such thing as a social security number in PNG. The
>> government is currently trying to introduce a national ID card but is still
>> some years away. Furthermore, peoples names can change from visit to visit
>> (the concept of a fixed name is a very alien concept to many tribal folks
>> around the world - not only PNG). The concept of uniquely ID'ing a patient
>> easily is therefore a pre-req for any HIS in this part of the world.
> 
> If the government did not have one, why can't you manage one yourself?
> You just have to give to the patient an ID card from the hospital. This
> is far cheaper than having any biometric machinery and it will be far
> better for privacy protection.
> 
> -- 
> C?dric Krier - B2CK SPRL
> Email/Jabber: address@hidden
> Tel: +32 472 54 46 59
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> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 08:37:59 -0300
> From: Maria Cecilia Santos Popper <address@hidden>
> To: General GNU Health discussion and help <address@hidden>
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> Hi all!
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>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:27 AM, C?dric Krier <address@hidden> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2015-06-16 17:08, Robert Schilt wrote:
>>> Thanks for your ideas and comments on this one.
>>> 
>>> Basically, there is no such thing as a social security number in PNG. The
>>> government is currently trying to introduce a national ID card but is
>> still
>>> some years away. Furthermore, peoples names can change from visit to
>> visit
>>> (the concept of a fixed name is a very alien concept to many tribal folks
>>> around the world - not only PNG). The concept of uniquely ID'ing a
>> patient
>>> easily is therefore a pre-req for any HIS in this part of the world.
>> 
>> If the government did not have one, why can't you manage one yourself?
>> You just have to give to the patient an ID card from the hospital. This
>> is far cheaper than having any biometric machinery and it will be far
>> better for privacy protection.
>> 
>> 
> I think I see what Robert is trying to point: if the patient has no ID
> number provided by the goverment, and because of cultural issues, patient
> can change her name from visit to visit, then the only way to relate a
> patient to GNUHealth's ID is by the means of biometrics.
> 
> Interesting situation!
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> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 15:23:35 +0200
> From: C?dric Krier <address@hidden>
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>> On 2015-06-16 08:37, Maria Cecilia Santos Popper wrote:
>> Hi all!
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 4:27 AM, C?dric Krier <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 2015-06-16 17:08, Robert Schilt wrote:
>>>> Thanks for your ideas and comments on this one.
>>>> 
>>>> Basically, there is no such thing as a social security number in PNG. The
>>>> government is currently trying to introduce a national ID card but is
>>> still
>>>> some years away. Furthermore, peoples names can change from visit to
>>> visit
>>>> (the concept of a fixed name is a very alien concept to many tribal folks
>>>> around the world - not only PNG). The concept of uniquely ID'ing a
>>> patient
>>>> easily is therefore a pre-req for any HIS in this part of the world.
>>> 
>>> If the government did not have one, why can't you manage one yourself?
>>> You just have to give to the patient an ID card from the hospital. This
>>> is far cheaper than having any biometric machinery and it will be far
>>> better for privacy protection.
>>> 
>>> 
>> I think I see what Robert is trying to point: if the patient has no ID
>> number provided by the goverment, and because of cultural issues, patient
>> can change her name from visit to visit, then the only way to relate a
>> patient to GNUHealth's ID is by the means of biometrics.
> 
> But why would a patient want to prevent you to find its medical records?
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> Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 22:12:44 +0700
> From: David Bruchmann <address@hidden>
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>> 
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>> But why would a patient want to prevent you to find its medical records?
>> 
>> 
> There might be several reasons. Usually a patient goes to a clinic to get
> one of these services (the list might be not complete):
> 
> 1) Medical verification
> 2) Medical treatment
> 3) Medication
> 4) Paying
> 5) Claiming Government Support for payment
> 6) Claiming Insurance Support for Payment
> 
> Here are now a few examples where the patient might like to hide his known
> identity:
> 
> 1) Getting another verification (by another doctor perhaps) because he
> never is satisfied with the existing ones.
> 2) Getting more Medication than he needs, for selling or "helping" someone
> without required consultation
> 3) Getting a clean patient record concerning any invoices
> 
> Usually any way where is seen a real or supposed option to get something
> desired is used.
> It would be naive to think that self produced social numbers without
> further identification really point to the right person and that they do it
> only once.
> 
> Therefore the usage of biometrics perhaps never allows to get the real data
> of a person but it grants that you always talk to the expected person.
> 
> Best Regards,
> David
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