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mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping)
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Tim Nelson |
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mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping) |
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Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:30:01 +1100 (EST) |
On Wed, 18 Feb 2004, John Sechrest wrote:
>
>
> Nate Campi <nate@campin.net> writes:
>
> % > A) Why would this not work as a component of the CFengine work that
> % > is already going on?
>
> % Well I suppose I mean separate mailing list, so as not to bother this
> % list.
>
> At some level yes, because there are many detailed little
> cfengine configuration issues that need to be understood.
>
> And much of that will be noise to the list.
>
> On the other hand, getting real globally abstracted cfengine
> configurations for each of the roles is a good thing to talk about on
> this list.
Hmm. I think at least one separate list is a good idea -- that
gives people the choice as to whether they want to be in it or not.
> I am aiming at cfengine configurations for roles like:
>
>
> MLN Roles
> ---------
> web
> mail-frontend
> mail-backend
> mysql
> lustre-client
> lustre-mds
> lustre-ost
> boinc
> seti
> boinc-backend
> dns
> radius
> dhcp
> ldap
> shell
> condor
> monitor
> syslog
> smb
> meta-config
> policyhost
> disk-nfs
> gw
Backup? PostgreSQL?
> So each of these will take work and talking and lots of details.
> And I am not sure how much this list wants to watch that process.
So where do we sign up for this other list?
> % > C) Do you care that there already is an ongoing project working
> % > on the same issue? (We got our sourceforge project approved recently)
>
> % Cool. I thought hard about going exactly the way you're going, with
> % UML's, right in line with the "utility computing" buzzword being slung
> % around a lot in the press and vendor marketing materials.
>
> % I decided against it, since we can make configuration of real hosts
> % almost as easy, and get all their performance. I have a surprising
> % number of hosts lacking on CPU, DISK and memory resources, mostly mail
> % servers. I need every last ounce of capacity out of a lot of my hosts.
> % There are very expensive and modern hardware platforms, it's just that
> % we have large clusters of mail and web servers that work very, very
> % hard.
>
> The nice thing about doing UML is that once you have the configurations,
> the systems will not care if they are UML instances or real machines.
>
> And so by doing UML, I get the other for free.
Great! This answers my other questions.
> And I get the ability to do testing rapidly.
>
> In any case, we are on a roll and trying to make regular progress.
:). I can relate to that.
--
Tim Nelson
Systems Administrator
Sunet Internet
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- Re: Bootstrapping, (continued)
- Re: Bootstrapping, John Sechrest, 2004/02/19
- Re: Bootstrapping, Eric Sorenson, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, Nate Campi, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, John Sechrest, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, Tim Nelson, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, Nate Campi, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, John Sechrest, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, Tim Nelson, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, Nate Campi, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, John Sechrest, 2004/02/18
- mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping),
Tim Nelson <=
- Re: mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping), John Sechrest, 2004/02/18
- Re: mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping), Tim Nelson, 2004/02/18
- Re: mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping), John Sechrest, 2004/02/18
- Re: mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping), Tim Nelson, 2004/02/18
- Re: mln (was: Re: Bootstrapping), John Sechrest, 2004/02/18
- Re: Bootstrapping, Luke A. Kanies, 2004/02/19
- Re: Bootstrapping, Mark . Burgess, 2004/02/19
- Re: Bootstrapping, John Sechrest, 2004/02/19
- Re: Bootstrapping, Luke A. Kanies, 2004/02/19
- Re: Bootstrapping, John Sechrest, 2004/02/19