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AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
From: |
C.Strobl |
Subject: |
AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs |
Date: |
Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:01:37 +0200 |
i think you didn't have read my mail? i have bought this book already, but that
isn't the point. if you are beginning emacs the first thing is the
download-page, the second the manual, the third a tutorial in the internet, ...
buying a book as first duty for beginners is for me not the right way.
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: address@hidden [mailto:address@hidden
Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 19:45
An: Strobl, Christian; address@hidden; address@hidden
Cc: address@hidden
Betreff: RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
Hi
The solution I went for was to buy Learning GNU Emacs 3rd Edition, Cameron et
al, pub O'Reilly.
ISBN 0-596-00648-9
Hope this helps
Vincent
> -----Original Message-----
> From: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden
> Behalf Of address@hidden
> Sent: 07 July 2006 18:33
> To: address@hidden; address@hidden
> Cc: address@hidden
> Subject: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
>
>
>
> hello all,
>
> because i started the discussion i am feeling constrained to say some
> words to the discussion with the background of an emacs beginner.
> first of all my motivation. the last years i worked with ultraedit and
> was quite content. then i changed my job and ultraedit wasn't
> available any more. i didn't want to write a requst for buying
> software and so i searched with google for an advanced open source
> editor which was capable of editing columns.
> i wasn't the first with that problem and nearly all answers i found in
> different discussion groups pointed to emacs. as an old friend of open
> source software i knew emacs and his history but i didn't dare until
> yet to use it becaues all people i know said its so complicated and
> time consuming to learn it.
> next i went to the emacs homepage and downloaded the win32-binaries
> and installed it. Looking for help i was a little bit confused about
> the many links and headlines below the point Getting Help with GNU
> Emacs.
> next i looked at the help menu. Glad to see the point tutorial i
> started to work through and after a few hours i was ready to start.
> but now i was faced with typical editing problems. for example i
> wanted to move a paragraph from one point in the document to the
> other. in ultraedit (or notepad or proton or ...) a quite simple task:
> (text marking with the mouse C-x C-v). in emacs at the first look a
> little bit more complicated or at least unfamiliar to me. i didn't
> found such an example in the emacs manual and it took quite a time to
> find one with google. next i wanted to delete all empty lines, search
> and replace strings and so on, typical edit tasks at least i bought
> the book learning ggnu emacs and after a while i read somewhere maybe
> in the book maybe in the internet that its better to open every file
> in the same frame. so i came to emacsW32. because i had a problem with
> the installation (my fault, look some emails before) i thought a way
> to solve it would be to edit the .emacs-file.
> again i looked in the manual but i didn't find something. i was still
> a beginner and i didn't know at all that the .emacs-file and elisp has
> the same basics.
> but i stayed stiff-necked and after a lot fo attempts i found a
> solution which worked but i wasn't really content. so i wrote to the
> list and lennard helped me out. but i wanted a list of all possible
> customization commands. the solution came from drew adams (M-x
> customize-apropos-options RET .
> RET). that was i looked for. and after the mails of eli i took a
> second closer look to the manual and now i am quite sure that nearly
> everything about emacs i can find there and i am sure with more
> experience i will use the manual more extensively. eli is also right
> that many internetsites are outdated and pointing in the wrong
> direction. BUT if you are a emacs-newbie, at least for me, the manual
> is very confusing maybe because its so powerfull, like emacs itself.
> at the first time all i had needed would be a simple document with
> normal tasks:
>
> 1) installation and configuration (for me especially with windows)
> 2) simple emacs-commandos like described in the tutorial in the emacs
> help menu
> 3) more extensivly examples for typical editing tasks like search and
> replace, copy and paste, rectangle editing, ...and so on. only with
> examples newbies can see the possibilities of emacs
> 4) a few word about the .emacs file and customization
> 5) a glossary with the special emacs terms
> 6) and all that in a separat pdf-document
>
> again, i am sure everything i wrote above is integrated in the manual
> but a newbie has great problems to find it and i am sure many
> potential users give up after a few hours. the best would be this
> pdf-file could be downloaded with the emacs-file an a bundle or at
> least at the same site.
>
> all i wrote above is my personal experience and opinion. but i wanted
> to write it to you all because you are investing so much time for such
> a great project like emacs and the only i can do now is to give you
> some feedback for your work with the background of a beginner. i have
> installed emacs since two weeks, i have invested a lot of time, much
> more time than i have ever invested for example to learn ultraedit,
> but i am confident that its an investment for the future and for me
> its also a lot of fun to to discover the possibilities of emacs. but i
> think it would easier to climb on the first emacs-hill with a short
> introduction-document than with the emacs bible what the manual in
> fact is.
>
> thanks to all again for your help and greetings from munich christian
>
> p.s. maybe i write for myself such a document if a know more about
> emacs
>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: address@hidden
> [mailto:address@hidden
> Im Auftrag von Eli Zaretskii
> Gesendet: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 11:10
> An: Lennart Borgman
> Cc: address@hidden
> Betreff: Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs
>
> > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:40:12 +0200
> > From: Lennart Borgman <address@hidden>
> > CC: address@hidden
> >
> > > What, you mean your advice to use Explorer? I just saved
> you from
> > > RMS's wrath, that's all ;-)
> > >
> > >
> > Firefox please ;-)
>
> Wed all know what most Windows users have on their boxes as the
> default browser.
>
>
>
>
>
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- Re: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, (continued)
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Phil Betts, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/05
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Lennart Borgman, 2006/07/06
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/07
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, C.Strobl, 2006/07/07
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, vincent, 2006/07/07
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs,
C.Strobl <=
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/07
- Re: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/08
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Alessandro Vesely, 2006/07/10
- [h-e-w] jump hi-lock next/previous position, Pang.Ding-Hai, 2006/07/10
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/10
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/10
- Re: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/10
- RE: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Drew Adams, 2006/07/11
- AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, C.Strobl, 2006/07/11
- Re: AW: [h-e-w] EmacsW32, gnuserv, pathes in .emacs, Eli Zaretskii, 2006/07/11