Re: Software/HD ecology

[David Masterson]

>>>>> Lee Sau Dan writes:

>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com> writes:
David> GNU tools generally are not distributed with any package
David> manager in mind.  They have "make install" and some have
David> "make uninstall" as the replacement for a package manager.
David> MS-Windows actually has this issue well handled.  

> Most GNU softwares nowadays have "./configure
> --prefix=/anywhere/you/like/foobar" so that the "make install" will
> only put files there.  Uninstalling is simply "rm -rf
> /anywhere/you/like/foobar".

This does not work if "/anywhere/you/like/foobar" (for all "foobar")
is "/usr/local" as is most often the case.

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>>>>> Lee Sau Dan writes:

>>>>> "David" == David Masterson <dmaster@synopsys.com> writes:

David> 2. To allow for source removal, "make install" should install
David> an uninstaller (like this: "make -n uninstall > uninstaller;
David> install uninstaller").

> Which GNU software doesn't allow you to "rm -rf" the whole source
> directory after the "make install"?  I mean, which will not function
> after this?

Sorry, the statement I made is a bit hard to interpret.  What I meant
is that, if you remove the source (to save space or whatever), then
you cannot run "make uninstall".  Therefore, if you want to have the
capability to do a "make uninstall" after removing the source, then
"make install" needs to install an uninstaller (particularly if the
program is installed in a common area like /usr/local).

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>>>>> Tribhuvan  writes:

> David Masterson wrote:

>> Or autoconf/automake...

>>> You could try "make -n uninstall > /tmp/foo" right after "make
>>> install".  Maybe then /tmp/foo contains the necessary info.

>> Exactly.  My contention is that /tmp/foo should be installed right
>> along with everything else.

> Just how commonly available is the "make -n uninstall > /tmp/foo"
> in src distributions anyway. 

The point is that the installation of a "/tmp/foo" isn't available in
any of the GNU applications (AFAIK) although many have a "make
uninstall".  Kai's suggestion was that, therefore, it's easy to hand
create an uninstaller.  My suggestion is that "make install" should
then do it and autoconf/automake should be updated to incorporate this
in the Makefiles that they generate.

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>>>>> Alfred M Szmidt writes:

> Why not just extend automake to support an install-stow target that
> installs packages in $(prefix)/package/PACKAGE/VERSION by default?

Because not everyone wants to use stow (or any package manager).
Besides, you can configure the 'prefix' to what you're suggesting
above if you want to use stow, so there is nothing to change in
automake for it.

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> From: Galen Boyer <galenboyer@hotpop.com>
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> Date: 20 Dec 2002 11:39:15 -0600
> > 
> > * CVS: (cvs).          Concurrent Versions System
> > 
> > so I would assume that your system should also come with the
> > respective info files.
> 
> Hm...  I don't have the CVS node and the corresponding info files
> aren't found in the c:/emacs/info directory.  My windows emacs
> distribution came from emacs-21.2-fullbin-i386.tar.
> 
> I even downloaded the emacs-21.2.tar.gz and unzipped that and it
> didn't have it either.

The CVS manual doesn't come with Emacs, it comes with the CVS
distribution.