Re: Is Emacs on Aqua crippleware or is it just broken?

[Oliver Scholz]

bk_usenet@yahoo.co.uk (BK) writes:

> Jerry Kindall <jerrykindall@nospam.invalid> wrote ...
>
>> > On the Mac, HIG is the local custom and therefore it is only
>> > reasonable to expecrt that any foreign application coming to Mac land
>> > can will respect the native customs and accept them as being normal,
>> > while its own foreign customs, although they might be accepted, will
>> > remain foreign.
>> 
>> No, you've got it backwards.  When you launch Emacs, you tell your Mac
>> "I want to travel to Emacs-land" and implicitly accept its foreign
>> customs.
>
> In other words it's a gateway/compatibility application. Fair enough,
> I don't necessarily have a problem with that view, but the issue
> Mr.Scholz raised was purely about my choice of language when I
> referred to Apple style keyboard shortcuts. Therefore, my response was
> only supposed to address his objection to my chosing the word
> "normal". It was not meant to suggest that anyone can conclude from
> this that the Emacs shortcuts are wrong or bad or inacceptable.
>
> The point was that on a Mac, it will have to be permissible to call
> Apple style shortcuts "normal" without being flamed for that choice of
> language.
[...]

To clarify: It wasn't only the use of the word "normal" in the sense
of "what I expect when I launch an application on Mac OS" that
provoked me to write the article you are referring to. In this sense
"C-x/C-c/C-v" are indeed normal on Mac OS.

But I do have to admit that this was not necessarily obvious from my
posting. And I do have to admit that it is a possible interpretation
of the actual words I chose, to read it that way. So it was my fault
that I didn't really explain what I meant in the first place. 

    Oliver
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