Re: Hard to switch from vi

[Lennart Borgman]

don provan wrote:
> Wen Weng <WenWeng@charter.net> writes:
>
>   
> > ken wrote:
> >     
> > > First, I don't know of any comparison of the number of keystrokes.
> > >       
> > Well, that's just my experience so far after one week of using emacs.
> >     
>
> Could you elaborate? I can't think of any serious inefficiencies in
> emacs vs. vi, so I'm wondering if something else is going on. Perhaps
> you're mentally ascribing two key strokes to control-f because you
> have to push two keys and you aren't used to that, 


Well, I have to push two keys to type control-f. Don't you? (Whether 
this is important or not is another thing.)

>   
> > > Secondly, other things are much more important.
> > >       
> > Actually, the number of keystrokes is number one importance to me and
> > to a lot of people, I guess.
> >     
>
> Well, I actually agree with others that there are many more important
> issues, but the one that drives me crazy about vi actually winds up
> causing more keystrokes in vi: the modalism. It seems like every vi
> session I end up spending the majority of keystrokes cleaning up text
> executed as commands because I thought I was in text-enter mode or
> commands entered as text because I thought I was in command-mode.

Beginning to use vi keys are rather tough. But once you are used to them 
they can be very good. I know since they are good for me ;-)

And they are available in Emacs. Viper in the next release of Emacs is 
very good.