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Re: line-move-visual
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Mark Crispin |
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Re: line-move-visual |
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Wed, 08 Dec 2010 15:12:08 -0000 |
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On Sun, 6 Jun 2010, Uday S Reddy posted:
In the megabytes of debate that has gone on on this issue, I haven't seen a
single point mentioned as to why it should move by visual line in the logical
line mode. Yet, that is the default in Emacs 23! Worse, it *changes* the
semantics of C-n which as, Mark Crispin points out, has been here the 70's.
And breaks key macros.
So, there are three things that an old-timer is annoyed about:
1. Change of established semantics.
2. Inconsistency.
3. Pointlessness.
4. Breaking long-standing key macros and procedures, which in turn leads
to file corruption based upon the current screen width (= "random and
unpredictable").
Coupled with these real technical issues, there are the attitudinal problems
of holier-than-thou, smarter-than-thou and modern-than-thou and what have
you.
It seems to be a common problem among some Gen-X types. John Xenakis (a
colorful character if ever there was one!) writes a good essay related to
the topic:
http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?d=ww2010.i.java080701
In another part of this thread, we have also seen the astonishing idea
that the developers don't have to care about what the users want/need. If
that is the attitude that open source developers take, then I will be the
first to give up open source!
This attitude has always been a problem, but in the past it would be
corrected. In a lab where everybody was under one roof, the users would
gang up (often with the lead developer) and discipline the offending young
developer.
Today, the only recourse is to spawn a fork. The problem is that each
fork erodes the credibility of open source. The classic example is BSD,
which committed suicide by fork.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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