Re: TROLL is a HATE terminology

[Fren Zeee]

It is well known that there are various subversive organizations and
agencies whose full time paid agents are on the internet and they are
quite malicious as a result of their organizational structuring if not
by personal intent.

They are operating to stop the normal human exchange, say trade and
sharing of knowledge.

The way they operate is by diverting discussion on thread into flames and so on.

Why the person tries to revert the thread back, they call him or her a troll.

They invented the terminology of troll.

Now this behavior has been propagated into the general public and for
a professor to use it made me pause and reflect on the whole matter
...

... and advance my thesis.

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Fren Zeee <frenzeee@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:48 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> 
> wrote:
>> The emacs-devel and help-gnu-emacs lists have my deepest apologies.  I
>> did not expect my private message, offering sincere advice, to receive
>> such an obnoxious reply on any public list, let alone one I don't
>> participate in.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>>
>>
>
> Stephen, If you inspect my first reply to your email, which I realized
> a little later was private, it was an error, and I wanted to add to
> the help mailing lists, but then decided to send it anyways,
>
> It is not personally against you at all.
>
> It is mainly against the terminology of "troll" ... evidence being
> that I forked off a thread under a different title.
>
> It is well known that there are various subversive organizations and
> agencies whose full time paid agents are on the internet and they are
> quite malicious as a result of their organizational structuring if not
> by personal intent.
>
> They are operating to stop the normal human exchange, say trade and
> sharing of knowledge.
>
> It is a fact that I had _high regard_ for you, and hope to have so in
> the future.
>
> Thats why your post (later i realized ... a private email) made me
> think and it was a eureka moment to realize what troll stood for and I
> expressed it clearly. Other authors above have said that they could
> not understand this vague term whose true meaning is only known by its
> context of usage. I thank them for their contribution and testimonial.
>
> Because it has no dictionary meaning, it continued to be used
> effectively by dark forces to denigrade people. My post should help
> label it as what it really is.
>
> You probably unconsciously picked it up ... where I gave the benefit of doubt.
>
> I dont think my post paints you in any poor light ... just that
> members of human extended family can sometimes have a little
> miscommunication.
>
> However, I extend my apologies also to anyone who might have been hurt
> by any strong word of mine.
>
> Now, as far as "helpful" suggestion is concerned, here is an example
> of rather business-like but a helpful post  ... the criteria being
> advancing the original topic of that thread. I am sure many others
> would benefit by the answer. In person, in all my academic classes, I
> know that many people have thanked me for asking questions on their
> behalf ... and won respect of most of my professors. Now, as we get
> older, our capacity to learn new subjects can deteriorate a little.
>
> ====
> Chad Brown
>  to me, Emacs
>
> show details Dec 7 (7 days ago)
>
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 1:24 PM, Fren Zeee wrote:
>
>> The question is VERY CLEAR !!! and SPECIFIC at the LAST STAGE !!!
>
> Even with the CAPITAL LETTERS and the TRIPLE EXCLAMATION
> POINTS!!!, I still have no idea what you're trying to accomplish.
>
> Perhaps you would be helped by evaluating both of these in emacs:
>
>       (pp (list 1 2))
>       (pp (cons 1 2))
>
> or perhaps:
>
>       (pp (list (list 1 2) (list 3 4)))
>       (pp (list (cons 1 2) (cons 3 4) (cons 5 6)))
>
> I say `perhaps', because I don't really know what you're trying to
> accomplish.
>
> I hope that helps,
> *Chad
>