Re: member returns list

[Pascal J. Bourguignon]

Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se> writes:

> "Pascal J. Bourguignon" <pjb@informatimago.com>
> writes:
>
>>>> Also, I didn't show the transitivities, but: No
>>>> Smalltalk -> no Objective-C -> no NeXTSTEP No Lisp
>>>> -> no Interface Builder -> no NeXTSTEP No NeXTSTEP
>>>> -> no MacOSX -> no iOS -> no iPad/iPhone.
>>>>
>>> If I ever get my time machine going, first thing
>>> after spending a decade in the 90s' Ibiza listening
>>> to eurodisco and dropping E, remind me to go back
>>> to 1969 and terminate Alan Kay. Or better yet,
>>> I can just bring an iPhone and he'll probably grab
>>> for the revolver himself!
>>
>> You are definitely crazy.
>
> My people were once travellers and warriors. In yet
> another era, we had an industrial capacity in parity
> with the superpowers, and a super-educated workforce.
> Now, people don't know jack about anything and they
> don't even know what goes on half a meter to their
> sides as they are enslaved by those one million times
> accursed iThings. Physically and mentally those have
> been a disaster to millions all over the world.
> What Lisp has to do with them is beyond me as Lisp is
> the most advanced programming language which implies
> limitless creativity, whereas the iThings are very
> dangerous toys that have already enslaved millions of
> supposedly "adults" as well. Whenever I encounter old
> people I see this very clearly - the difference in
> posture, knowledge, skill, literacy, awareness,
> self-confidence - it is just huge. Of course, there
> were no iThings in their youths and adult lives so
> they hade to take part in real activity, solve real
> problems, communicate with real people, develop real
> skills, and so on - every day. The people today who
> never did any of that - well, it shows!

You are very ill-informed, you don't know what Alan Kay thinks of iPads and
iPhones.  I can't find the exact quote, so I can only advise you to
watch all these videos:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKuVC3Lrr0b8k5UY402FfM2LuZ8Ecti96

-- 
__Pascal Bourguignon__                 http://www.informatimago.com/
“The factory of the future will have only two employees, a man and a
dog. The man will be there to feed the dog. The dog will be there to
keep the man from touching the equipment.” -- Carl Bass CEO Autodesk