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Re: using use-package
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Stefan Monnier |
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Re: using use-package |
Date: |
Tue, 28 Jun 2016 18:05:37 -0400 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) |
>> Well I would have thought that needing eval-after-load and relatives
>> is evidence of a badly written (in Stefan's sense) package
I do think it's a problem, but admittedly, the way keymaps are normally
setup there's no standard&easy way for the package to "do the right thing".
IOW it's a failure of the general infrastructure offered by Emacs to
define and modify keymaps. I'd encourage anyone to try and come up with
a good solution to this problem (it'll probably require changing "all"
packages to use a new way to declare keymaps, but I think it's a price
worth paying).
>> For myself (as you seem to say) if use-package reduces all that
>> imperative gunk I guess I'll use it
As for me, I don't think
(global-set-key (kbd "C-x C-b") 'electric-buffer-list)
(with-eval-after-load 'buff-menu
(define-key electric-buffer-menu-mode-map
(kbd "X") 'save-buffers-kill-emacs))
is really worse than
(use-package ebuff-menu
:bind (("C-x C-b" . electric-buffer-list)
:map electric-buffer-menu-mode-map
("X" . save-buffers-kill-emacs)))
especially if you consider that the former uses functions and syntax
which is used throughout Emacs, whereas the latter uses a syntax that's
defined in an ad-hoc manner for use-package and isn't used elsewhere.
It's also unclear how/why one of the bindings is available immediately
while the other is only activated later (i.e. there's a bit too much
ad-hoc magic for my taste). If the "X" binding could be auto-activated
when the electric-buffer-menu-mode-map keymap is defined it would be
much better but that would require getting away from using
eval-after-load internally.
Stefan
- Re: using use-package, Rusi, 2016/06/28
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- Re: using use-package, Phillip Lord, 2016/06/28
- Re: using use-package, Stefan Monnier, 2016/06/29
- Re: using use-package, Phillip Lord, 2016/06/29
- RE: using use-package, Drew Adams, 2016/06/29
- RE: using use-package, Phillip Lord, 2016/06/29
- Re: using use-package, Stefan Monnier, 2016/06/30
- Re: using use-package, Stefan Monnier, 2016/06/30
- Re: using use-package, Phillip Lord, 2016/06/30
- Re: using use-package, Stefan Monnier, 2016/06/30
- Re: using use-package, Andreas Röhler, 2016/06/29