Re: hork point in ~/.emacs: -Q and --debug outputs in terminal & *Messages*

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On 8/27/20 1:34 PM, Noam Postavsky wrote:
> The "Loading" lines look suspicious. Shouldn't all those be preloaded?
> Maybe Emacs is failing to find the .pdmp file? Do you get these
> "Loading" messages when starting with emacs -Q too?
>
>> Loading minibuffer...
>> Loading frame...
>> Loading startup...
>> Loading term/tty-colors...
>> Loading font-core...
>> Loading facemenu...
>> Loading emacs-lisp/syntax...
>> Loading font-lock...
>> Loading jit-lock...
>> Loading mouse...
>> Loading scroll-bar...
>> Loading select...

Output in terminal from "emacs -Q" :

Warning: game dir '/var/games/emacs': Permission denied
Loading loadup.el (source)...
dump mode: nil
Using load-path (/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/emacs-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/progmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/language
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/textmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/vc)
Loading emacs-lisp/byte-run...
Loading emacs-lisp/byte-run...done
Loading emacs-lisp/backquote...
Loading emacs-lisp/backquote...done
Loading subr...
Loading subr...done
Loading version...
Loading version...done
Loading widget...
Loading widget...done
Loading custom...
Loading custom...done
Loading emacs-lisp/map-ynp...
Loading emacs-lisp/map-ynp...done
Loading international/mule...
Loading international/mule...done
Loading international/mule-conf...
Loading international/mule-conf...done
Loading env...
Loading env...done
Loading format...
Loading format...done
Loading bindings (source)...
Loading bindings (source)...done
Loading window...
Loading window...done
Loading files...
Loading files...done
Loading emacs-lisp/macroexp...
Loading emacs-lisp/macroexp...done
Loading cus-face...
Loading cus-face...done
Loading faces...
Loading faces...done
Loading button...
Loading button...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/loaddefs.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/loaddefs.el (source)...done
Loading emacs-lisp/nadvice...
Loading emacs-lisp/nadvice...done
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-preloaded...
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-preloaded...done
Loading obarray...
Loading obarray...done
Loading abbrev...
Loading abbrev...done
Loading simple...
Loading simple...done
Loading help...
Loading help...done
Loading jka-cmpr-hook...
Loading jka-cmpr-hook...done
Loading epa-hook...
Loading epa-hook...done
Loading international/mule-cmds...
Loading international/mule-cmds...done
Loading case-table...
Loading case-table...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international/charprop.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international/charprop.el (source)...done
Loading international/characters...
Loading international/characters...done
Loading composite...
Loading composite...done
Loading language/chinese...
Loading language/chinese...done
Loading language/cyrillic...
Loading language/cyrillic...done
Loading language/indian...
Loading language/indian...done
Loading language/sinhala...
Loading language/sinhala...done
Loading language/english...
Loading language/english...done
Loading language/ethiopic...
Loading language/ethiopic...done
Loading language/european...
Loading language/european...done
Loading language/czech...
Loading language/czech...done
Loading language/slovak...
Loading language/slovak...done
Loading language/romanian...
Loading language/romanian...done
Loading language/greek...
Loading language/greek...done
Loading language/hebrew...
Loading language/hebrew...done
Loading international/cp51932...
Loading international/cp51932...done
Loading international/eucjp-ms...
Loading international/eucjp-ms...done
Loading language/japanese...
Loading language/japanese...done
Loading language/korean...
Loading language/korean...done
Loading language/lao...
Loading language/lao...done
Loading language/tai-viet...
Loading language/tai-viet...done
Loading language/thai...
Loading language/thai...done
Loading language/tibetan...
Loading language/tibetan...done
Loading language/vietnamese...
Loading language/vietnamese...done
Loading language/misc-lang...
Loading language/misc-lang...done
Loading language/utf-8-lang...
Loading language/utf-8-lang...done
Loading language/georgian...
Loading language/georgian...done
Loading language/khmer...
Loading language/khmer...done
Loading language/burmese...
Loading language/burmese...done
Loading language/cham...
Loading language/cham...done
Loading indent...
Loading indent...done
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-generic...
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-generic...done
Loading minibuffer...
Loading minibuffer...done
Loading frame...
Loading frame...done
Loading startup...
Loading startup...done
Loading term/tty-colors...
Loading term/tty-colors...done
Loading font-core...
Loading font-core...done
Loading facemenu...
Loading facemenu...done
Loading emacs-lisp/syntax...
Loading emacs-lisp/syntax...done
Loading font-lock...
Loading font-lock...done
Loading jit-lock...
Loading jit-lock...done
Loading mouse...
Loading mouse...done
Loading scroll-bar...
Loading scroll-bar...done
Loading select...
Loading select...done
Loading emacs-lisp/timer...
Loading emacs-lisp/timer...done
Loading isearch...
Loading isearch...done
Loading rfn-eshadow...
Loading rfn-eshadow...done
Loading menu-bar...
Loading menu-bar...done
Loading tab-bar...
Loading tab-bar...done
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp...
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp...done
Loading textmodes/page...
Loading textmodes/page...done
Loading register...
Loading register...done
Loading textmodes/paragraphs...
Loading textmodes/paragraphs...done
Loading progmodes/prog-mode...
Loading progmodes/prog-mode...done
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp-mode...
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp-mode...done
Loading progmodes/elisp-mode...
Loading progmodes/elisp-mode...done
Loading textmodes/text-mode...
Loading textmodes/text-mode...done
Loading textmodes/fill...
Loading textmodes/fill...done
Loading newcomment...
Loading newcomment...done
Loading replace...
Loading replace...done
Loading emacs-lisp/tabulated-list...
Loading emacs-lisp/tabulated-list...done
Loading buff-menu...
Loading buff-menu...done
Loading fringe...
Loading fringe...done
Loading emacs-lisp/regexp-opt...
Loading emacs-lisp/regexp-opt...done
Loading image...
Loading image...done
Loading international/fontset...
Loading international/fontset...done
Loading dnd...
Loading dnd...done
Loading tool-bar...
Loading tool-bar...done
Loading dynamic-setting...
Loading dynamic-setting...done
Loading x-dnd...
Loading x-dnd...done
Loading term/common-win...
Loading term/common-win...done
Loading term/x-win...
Loading term/x-win...done
Loading mwheel...
Loading mwheel...done
Loading emacs-lisp/float-sup...
Loading emacs-lisp/float-sup...done
Loading vc/vc-hooks...
Loading vc/vc-hooks...done
Loading vc/ediff-hook...
Loading vc/ediff-hook...done
Loading uniquify...
Loading uniquify...done
Loading electric...
Loading electric...done
Loading emacs-lisp/eldoc...
Loading emacs-lisp/eldoc...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/cus-start.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/cus-start.el (source)...done
Loading tooltip...
Loading tooltip...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/leim/leim-list.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/leim/leim-list.el (source)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/site-load.el (source)...
Loading lpr...
Loading lpr...done
Loading delsel...
Loading delsel...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/site-load.el (source)...done
Finding pointers to doc strings...
Finding pointers to doc strings...done


 
Output in terminal from "emacs --debug-init" :

Warning: game dir '/var/games/emacs': Permission denied
Loading loadup.el (source)...
dump mode: nil
Using load-path (/usr/share/emacs/27.1/site-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/emacs-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/progmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/language
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/textmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/vc)
Loading emacs-lisp/byte-run...
Loading emacs-lisp/byte-run...done
Loading emacs-lisp/backquote...
Loading emacs-lisp/backquote...done
Loading subr...
Loading subr...done
Loading version...
Loading version...done
Loading widget...
Loading widget...done
Loading custom...
Loading custom...done
Loading emacs-lisp/map-ynp...
Loading emacs-lisp/map-ynp...done
Loading international/mule...
Loading international/mule...done
Loading international/mule-conf...
Loading international/mule-conf...done
Loading env...
Loading env...done
Loading format...
Loading format...done
Loading bindings (source)...
Loading bindings (source)...done
Loading window...
Loading window...done
Loading files...
Loading files...done
Loading emacs-lisp/macroexp...
Loading emacs-lisp/macroexp...done
Loading cus-face...
Loading cus-face...done
Loading faces...
Loading faces...done
Loading button...
Loading button...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/loaddefs.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/loaddefs.el (source)...done
Loading emacs-lisp/nadvice...
Loading emacs-lisp/nadvice...done
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-preloaded...
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-preloaded...done
Loading obarray...
Loading obarray...done
Loading abbrev...
Loading abbrev...done
Loading simple...
Loading simple...done
Loading help...
Loading help...done
Loading jka-cmpr-hook...
Loading jka-cmpr-hook...done
Loading epa-hook...
Loading epa-hook...done
Loading international/mule-cmds...
Loading international/mule-cmds...done
Loading case-table...
Loading case-table...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international/charprop.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international/charprop.el (source)...done
Loading international/characters...
Loading international/characters...done
Loading composite...
Loading composite...done
Loading language/chinese...
Loading language/chinese...done
Loading language/cyrillic...
Loading language/cyrillic...done
Loading language/indian...
Loading language/indian...done
Loading language/sinhala...
Loading language/sinhala...done
Loading language/english...
Loading language/english...done
Loading language/ethiopic...
Loading language/ethiopic...done
Loading language/european...
Loading language/european...done
Loading language/czech...
Loading language/czech...done
Loading language/slovak...
Loading language/slovak...done
Loading language/romanian...
Loading language/romanian...done
Loading language/greek...
Loading language/greek...done
Loading language/hebrew...
Loading language/hebrew...done
Loading international/cp51932...
Loading international/cp51932...done
Loading international/eucjp-ms...
Loading international/eucjp-ms...done
Loading language/japanese...
Loading language/japanese...done
Loading language/korean...
Loading language/korean...done
Loading language/lao...
Loading language/lao...done
Loading language/tai-viet...
Loading language/tai-viet...done
Loading language/thai...
Loading language/thai...done
Loading language/tibetan...
Loading language/tibetan...done
Loading language/vietnamese...
Loading language/vietnamese...done
Loading language/misc-lang...
Loading language/misc-lang...done
Loading language/utf-8-lang...
Loading language/utf-8-lang...done
Loading language/georgian...
Loading language/georgian...done
Loading language/khmer...
Loading language/khmer...done
Loading language/burmese...
Loading language/burmese...done
Loading language/cham...
Loading language/cham...done
Loading indent...
Loading indent...done
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-generic...
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-generic...done
Loading minibuffer...
Loading minibuffer...done
Loading frame...
Loading frame...done
Loading startup...
Loading startup...done
Loading term/tty-colors...
Loading term/tty-colors...done
Loading font-core...
Loading font-core...done
Loading facemenu...
Loading facemenu...done
Loading emacs-lisp/syntax...
Loading emacs-lisp/syntax...done
Loading font-lock...
Loading font-lock...done
Loading jit-lock...
Loading jit-lock...done
Loading mouse...
Loading mouse...done
Loading scroll-bar...
Loading scroll-bar...done
Loading select...
Loading select...done
Loading emacs-lisp/timer...
Loading emacs-lisp/timer...done
Loading isearch...
Loading isearch...done
Loading rfn-eshadow...
Loading rfn-eshadow...done
Loading menu-bar...
Loading menu-bar...done
Loading tab-bar...
Loading tab-bar...done
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp...
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp...done
Loading textmodes/page...
Loading textmodes/page...done
Loading register...
Loading register...done
Loading textmodes/paragraphs...
Loading textmodes/paragraphs...done
Loading progmodes/prog-mode...
Loading progmodes/prog-mode...done
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp-mode...
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp-mode...done
Loading progmodes/elisp-mode...
Loading progmodes/elisp-mode...done
Loading textmodes/text-mode...
Loading textmodes/text-mode...done
Loading textmodes/fill...
Loading textmodes/fill...done
Loading newcomment...
Loading newcomment...done
Loading replace...
Loading replace...done
Loading emacs-lisp/tabulated-list...
Loading emacs-lisp/tabulated-list...done
Loading buff-menu...
Loading buff-menu...done
Loading fringe...
Loading fringe...done
Loading emacs-lisp/regexp-opt...
Loading emacs-lisp/regexp-opt...done
Loading image...
Loading image...done
Loading international/fontset...
Loading international/fontset...done
Loading dnd...
Loading dnd...done
Loading tool-bar...
Loading tool-bar...done
Loading dynamic-setting...
Loading dynamic-setting...done
Loading x-dnd...
Loading x-dnd...done
Loading term/common-win...
Loading term/common-win...done
Loading term/x-win...
Loading term/x-win...done
Loading mwheel...
Loading mwheel...done
Loading emacs-lisp/float-sup...
Loading emacs-lisp/float-sup...done
Loading vc/vc-hooks...
Loading vc/vc-hooks...done
Loading vc/ediff-hook...
Loading vc/ediff-hook...done
Loading uniquify...
Loading uniquify...done
Loading electric...
Loading electric...done
Loading emacs-lisp/eldoc...
Loading emacs-lisp/eldoc...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/cus-start.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/cus-start.el (source)...done
Loading tooltip...
Loading tooltip...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/leim/leim-list.el (source)...
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/leim/leim-list.el (source)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/site-load.el (source)...
Loading lpr...
Loading lpr...done
Loading delsel...
Loading delsel...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/site-load.el (source)...done
Finding pointers to doc strings...
Finding pointers to doc strings...done

To make our busy days easier, I put both outputs in separate files and
did a diff on them:

$ diff emacs--debug.out ems-Q.out
4c4
< Using load-path (/usr/share/emacs/27.1/site-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/emacs-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/progmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/language
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/textmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/vc)
---
> Using load-path (/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/emacs-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/progmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/language
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/textmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/vc)
235d234
<

The only difference I see in these two loadpaths is the first two
directories of the debug-init output (for site-lisp) aren't in the -Q
output.

For completeness sake, here's the contents of the *Messages* buffer:

Loading loadup.el (source)...
dump mode: nil
Using load-path (/usr/share/emacs/27.1/site-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/emacs-lisp
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/progmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/language
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international
/usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/textmodes /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/vc)
Loading emacs-lisp/byte-run...done
Loading emacs-lisp/backquote...done
Loading subr...done
Loading version...done
Loading widget...done
Loading custom...done
Loading emacs-lisp/map-ynp...done
Loading international/mule...done
Loading international/mule-conf...done
Loading env...done
Loading format...done
Loading bindings (source)...done
Loading window...done
Loading files...done
Loading emacs-lisp/macroexp...done
Loading cus-face...done
Loading faces...done
Loading button...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/loaddefs.el (source)...done
Loading emacs-lisp/nadvice...done
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-preloaded...done
Loading obarray...done
Loading abbrev...done
Loading simple...done
Loading help...done
Loading jka-cmpr-hook...done
Loading epa-hook...done
Loading international/mule-cmds...done
Loading case-table...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/international/charprop.el (source)...done
Loading international/characters...done
Loading composite...done
Loading language/chinese...done
Loading language/cyrillic...done
Loading language/indian...done
Loading language/sinhala...done
Loading language/english...done
Loading language/ethiopic...done
Loading language/european...done
Loading language/czech...done
Loading language/slovak...done
Loading language/romanian...done
Loading language/greek...done
Loading language/hebrew...done
Loading international/cp51932...done
Loading international/eucjp-ms...done
Loading language/japanese...done
Loading language/korean...done
Loading language/lao...done
Loading language/tai-viet...done
Loading language/thai...done
Loading language/tibetan...done
Loading language/vietnamese...done
Loading language/misc-lang...done
Loading language/utf-8-lang...done
Loading language/georgian...done
Loading language/khmer...done
Loading language/burmese...done
Loading language/cham...done
Loading indent...done
Loading emacs-lisp/cl-generic...done
Loading minibuffer...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading minibuffer...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading frame...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading frame...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading startup...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading startup...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading term/tty-colors...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading term/tty-colors...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading font-core...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading font-core...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading facemenu...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading facemenu...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading emacs-lisp/syntax...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading emacs-lisp/syntax...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading font-lock...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading font-lock...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading jit-lock...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading jit-lock...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading mouse...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading mouse...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading scroll-bar...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading scroll-bar...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading select...
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading select...done
Error during redisplay: (clear-minibuffer-message) signaled
(void-function timerp)
Loading emacs-lisp/timer...done
Loading isearch...done
Loading rfn-eshadow...done
Loading menu-bar...done
Loading tab-bar...done
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp...done
Loading textmodes/page...done
Loading register...done
Loading textmodes/paragraphs...done
Loading progmodes/prog-mode...done
Loading emacs-lisp/lisp-mode...done
Loading progmodes/elisp-mode...done
Loading textmodes/text-mode...done
Loading textmodes/fill...done
Loading newcomment...done
Loading replace...done
Loading emacs-lisp/tabulated-list...done
Loading buff-menu...done
Loading fringe...done
Loading emacs-lisp/regexp-opt...done
Loading image...done
Loading international/fontset...done
Loading dnd...done
Loading tool-bar...done
Loading dynamic-setting...done
Loading x-dnd...done
Loading term/common-win...done
Loading term/x-win...done
Loading mwheel...done
Loading emacs-lisp/float-sup...done
Loading vc/vc-hooks...done
Loading vc/ediff-hook...done
Loading uniquify...done
Loading electric...done
Loading emacs-lisp/eldoc...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/cus-start.el (source)...done
Loading tooltip...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/leim/leim-list.el (source)...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/site-load.el (source)...
Loading lpr...done
Loading delsel...done
Loading /usr/share/emacs/27.1/lisp/site-load.el (source)...done
Finding pointers to doc strings...done
Loading desktop...done
Loading saveplace...done
Loading /home/aaa/.abbrevs...done
Loading /home/aaa/emacs.d/menus.el (source)...done
Loading /home/aaa/emacs.d/journal.el (source)...done
Loading /home/aaa/emacs.d/kenz.el (source)...done
Desktop: File "/home/aaa/test" no longer exists.
Tramp: Opening connection for remote using scp...

[.... Tramp successfully loads some files into buffers....]

Wrote /home/aaa/.emacs.d/.emacs.desktop.lock
Desktop: 13 frames, 63 buffers restored, 1 failed to restore.
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
Loading loadup.el (source)...done
Error during redisplay: (jit-lock-function 1012) signaled (void-variable
bufname)

[End of *Messages* buffer]

I just noticed that html-helper-mode seems to be working fine now, but
tramp is having a strange problem.  (More on the latter later....)