Re: Auto Fill Comments

[Arthur Miller]

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> * Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> [2020-11-27 05:22]:
>> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:57 AM
>> > From: "arthur miller" <arthur.miller@live.com>
>> > To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>, "Drew Adams" 
>> > <drew.adams@oracle.com>
>> > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
>> > Subject: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments
>> >
>> > Yes, Emacs terminology is old.
>
> It may be old but not obsolete. You may be younger than Emacs and you
> encounter things that were already there before you, but need not be
> obsolete.
>
>> I dislike killing stuff, reminds me > of war, I never heard word
>> yank before I start using and font > locking sounds like I am in a
>> prison. But if you can go past few > names, Emacs is quite useful
>> piece of software. Probably the most > advanced terminal emulator I
>> have ever used, and it even has a > text editor built in.
>
> Words cannot and should not be chosen in the manner not to affect each
> person. There is subset of words we name vulgar or obscene and they
> are such because people agree to be so and that such should not be
> used. Yet there is literature where such words are appropriate on the
> right place.
>
> One reader can despise word A, other word B, other word C, other word
> D, and then in the end, if one should follow that principle then
> better not write at all! There is no logic in trying to accommodate
> every person's traumatic experiences.
>
> What does make sense to help in understanding is using dictionaries
> and finding definitions.
>
> Here I just pulled the definition of the noun "kill" and verb "kill"
> from the Wordnet dictionary:
>
> The noun does not apply in the Emacs context as it is not verb. But
> even the noun here shows that "killing" may be used in the sense of
> very large profit. See:
> https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/make+a+killing
>
> The word in itself is harmless. Trauma that person associates with the
> word is what hurts the person. To lessen that effect it is advisable
> to find the true meanings of the words used and in which context as
> that way one will not use the imaginative meanings or wrong meanings
> that stem from person's mind.
>
> * Overview of noun killing
>
> The noun killing has 3 senses (first 2 from tagged texts)
> 1. (5) killing, violent death -- (an event that causes someone to die)
> 2. (5) killing, kill, putting to death -- (the act of terminating a life)
> 3. killing, cleanup -- (a very large profit)
>
> Not even English speaking people will know that the verb "kill" has
> this many senses. One can see that definition number 12 applies here:
>
> 12. kill, obliterate, wipe out -- (mark for deletion, rub off, or
> erase; "kill these lines in the President's speech")
>
> Thus the verb "to kill" is part of English language. If person is not
> English speaker or does not find proper definitions of course that
> most used definition will be used. If you find yourself having
> troubles or you find something not logical, please open up dictionary
> and look up definitions.
>
> One can see in the below examples that there are other valid uses of
> the word "kill" in various senses.
>
> * Overview of verb kill
>
> The verb kill has 15 senses (first 3 from tagged texts)
> 1. (103) kill -- (cause to die; put to death, usually intentionally or
> knowingly; "This man killed several people when he tried to rob a bank"; "The
> farmer killed a pig for the holidays")
> 2. (1) kill, shoot down, defeat, vote down, vote out -- (thwart the passage 
> of; "kill a motion"; "he shot down the student's proposal")
> 3. (1) stamp out, kill -- (end or extinguish by forceful means; "Stamp out 
> poverty!")
> 4. kill -- (be fatal; "cigarettes kill"; "drunken driving kills")
> 5. kill -- (be the source of great pain for; "These new shoes are killing 
> me!")
> 6. kill -- (overwhelm with hilarity, pleasure, or admiration; "The comedian 
> was so funny, he was killing me!")
> 7. kill -- (hit with so much force as to make a return impossible, in racket 
> games; "She killed the ball")
> 8. kill -- (hit with great force; "He killed the ball")
> 9. kill -- (deprive of life; "AIDS has killed thousands in Africa")
> 10. kill -- (cause the death of, without intention; "She was killed in the 
> collision of three cars")
> 11. toss off, pop, bolt down, belt down, pour down, down, drink down, kill --
> (drink down entirely; "He downed three martinis before dinner"; "She killed a
> bottle of brandy that night"; "They popped a few beer after work")
> 12. kill, obliterate, wipe out -- (mark for deletion, rub off, or erase; 
> "kill these lines in the President's speech")
> 13. kill -- (tire out completely; "The daily stress of her work is killing 
> her")
> 14. kill -- (cause to cease operating; "kill the engine")
> 15. kill -- (destroy a vitally essential quality of or in; "Eating artichokes 
> kills the taste of all other foods")

> What does make sense to help in understanding is using dictionaries
> and finding definitions.
Indeed; my engish really sux I know! Thank your posting the meaning of
world kill, being long time until I worked on my glossary. 

Frankly I said old; I didn't said obsolete; nor incomprehensive;
on contrary. Didn't you read that from the message I tried to convey?

I think you are going into waters we don't need to go to here. I was
illustrating to the guy that everybody can find things to disslike, but
at the end terminology is just names, just a combination of characters
or sounds not to get attached to.

> If you find yourself having
> troubles or you find something not logical, please open up dictionary
> and look up definitions.

> The word in itself is harmless. Trauma that person associates with the
> word is what hurts the person. To lessen that effect it is advisable
> to find the true meanings of the words used and in which context as
> that way one will not use the imaginative meanings or wrong meanings
> that stem from person's mind.
For the record; I have no traumas, and if I did I would certainly not
ask for the advice on the Internet but I can't be not to comment your
statements: 

Do you mean, when people have traumas, they should get a dictionary to
read, to make them feel better? Because that is what you are saying! :D
Is that seriously what you are claiming, or you are just trying to be
ironic/sarcastic?

If that is so, then I hope you are not working as a psychiatrist. That
sounds a little bit odd if you believe that people have traumas because
they got wrong meaning of a word. I would rather claim the
opposite. Also saying people use imaginative meanings is quite a wild
claim; that is somethign you would have to assert on per case basis.