Re: Auto Fill Comments

[Christopher Dimech]

> Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 7:27 AM
> From: "Arthur Miller" <arthur.miller@live.com>
> To: "Jean Louis" <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>, "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" 
> <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Subject: Re: Auto Fill Comments
>
> Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:
>
> > * Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> [2020-11-27 05:22]:
> >> > Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 at 2:57 AM
> >> > From: "arthur miller" <arthur.miller@live.com>
> >> > To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech@gmx.com>, "Drew Adams" 
> >> > <drew.adams@oracle.com>
> >> > Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> >> > Subject: RE: RE: Auto Fill Comments
> >> >
> >> > Yes, Emacs terminology is old.
> >
> > It may be old but not obsolete. You may be younger than Emacs and you
> > encounter things that were already there before you, but need not be
> > obsolete.
> >
> >> I dislike killing stuff, reminds me > of war, I never heard word
> >> yank before I start using and font > locking sounds like I am in a
> >> prison. But if you can go past few > names, Emacs is quite useful
> >> piece of software. Probably the most > advanced terminal emulator I
> >> have ever used, and it even has a > text editor built in.
> >
> > Words cannot and should not be chosen in the manner not to affect each
> > person. There is subset of words we name vulgar or obscene and they
> > are such because people agree to be so and that such should not be
> > used. Yet there is literature where such words are appropriate on the
> > right place.
> >
> > One reader can despise word A, other word B, other word C, other word
> > D, and then in the end, if one should follow that principle then
> > better not write at all! There is no logic in trying to accommodate
> > every person's traumatic experiences.
> >
> > What does make sense to help in understanding is using dictionaries
> > and finding definitions.
> >
> > Here I just pulled the definition of the noun "kill" and verb "kill"
> > from the Wordnet dictionary:
> >
> > The noun does not apply in the Emacs context as it is not verb. But
> > even the noun here shows that "killing" may be used in the sense of
> > very large profit. See:
> > https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/make+a+killing
> >
> > The word in itself is harmless. Trauma that person associates with the
> > word is what hurts the person. To lessen that effect it is advisable
> > to find the true meanings of the words used and in which context as
> > that way one will not use the imaginative meanings or wrong meanings
> > that stem from person's mind.
> >
> > * Overview of noun killing
> >
> > The noun killing has 3 senses (first 2 from tagged texts)
> > 1. (5) killing, violent death -- (an event that causes someone to die)
> > 2. (5) killing, kill, putting to death -- (the act of terminating a life)
> > 3. killing, cleanup -- (a very large profit)
> >
> > Not even English speaking people will know that the verb "kill" has
> > this many senses. One can see that definition number 12 applies here:
> >
> > 12. kill, obliterate, wipe out -- (mark for deletion, rub off, or
> > erase; "kill these lines in the President's speech")
> >
> > Thus the verb "to kill" is part of English language. If person is not
> > English speaker or does not find proper definitions of course that
> > most used definition will be used. If you find yourself having
> > troubles or you find something not logical, please open up dictionary
> > and look up definitions.
> >
> > One can see in the below examples that there are other valid uses of
> > the word "kill" in various senses.
> >
> > * Overview of verb kill
> >
> > The verb kill has 15 senses (first 3 from tagged texts)
> > 1. (103) kill -- (cause to die; put to death, usually intentionally or
> > knowingly; "This man killed several people when he tried to rob a bank"; 
> > "The
> > farmer killed a pig for the holidays")
> > 2. (1) kill, shoot down, defeat, vote down, vote out -- (thwart the passage 
> > of; "kill a motion"; "he shot down the student's proposal")
> > 3. (1) stamp out, kill -- (end or extinguish by forceful means; "Stamp out 
> > poverty!")
> > 4. kill -- (be fatal; "cigarettes kill"; "drunken driving kills")
> > 5. kill -- (be the source of great pain for; "These new shoes are killing 
> > me!")
> > 6. kill -- (overwhelm with hilarity, pleasure, or admiration; "The comedian 
> > was so funny, he was killing me!")
> > 7. kill -- (hit with so much force as to make a return impossible, in 
> > racket games; "She killed the ball")
> > 8. kill -- (hit with great force; "He killed the ball")
> > 9. kill -- (deprive of life; "AIDS has killed thousands in Africa")
> > 10. kill -- (cause the death of, without intention; "She was killed in the 
> > collision of three cars")
> > 11. toss off, pop, bolt down, belt down, pour down, down, drink down, kill 
> > --
> > (drink down entirely; "He downed three martinis before dinner"; "She killed 
> > a
> > bottle of brandy that night"; "They popped a few beer after work")
> > 12. kill, obliterate, wipe out -- (mark for deletion, rub off, or erase; 
> > "kill these lines in the President's speech")
> > 13. kill -- (tire out completely; "The daily stress of her work is killing 
> > her")
> > 14. kill -- (cause to cease operating; "kill the engine")
> > 15. kill -- (destroy a vitally essential quality of or in; "Eating 
> > artichokes kills the taste of all other foods")
>
> > What does make sense to help in understanding is using dictionaries
> > and finding definitions.
> Indeed; my engish really sux I know! Thank your posting the meaning of
> world kill, being long time until I worked on my glossary.
>
> Frankly I said old; I didn't said obsolete; nor incomprehensive;
> on contrary. Didn't you read that from the message I tried to convey?
>
> I think you are going into waters we don't need to go to here. I was
> illustrating to the guy that everybody can find things to disslike, but
> at the end terminology is just names, just a combination of characters
> or sounds not to get attached to.
>
> > If you find yourself having
> > troubles or you find something not logical, please open up dictionary
> > and look up definitions.
>
> > The word in itself is harmless. Trauma that person associates with the
> > word is what hurts the person. To lessen that effect it is advisable
> > to find the true meanings of the words used and in which context as
> > that way one will not use the imaginative meanings or wrong meanings
> > that stem from person's mind.
> For the record; I have no traumas, and if I did I would certainly not
> ask for the advice on the Internet but I can't be not to comment your
> statements:
>
> Do you mean, when people have traumas, they should get a dictionary to
> read, to make them feel better? Because that is what you are saying! :D
> Is that seriously what you are claiming, or you are just trying to be
> ironic/sarcastic?
>
> If that is so, then I hope you are not working as a psychiatrist. That
> sounds a little bit odd if you believe that people have traumas because
> they got wrong meaning of a word. I would rather claim the
> opposite. Also saying people use imaginative meanings is quite a wild
> claim; that is somethign you would have to assert on per case basis.

The last time I had trauma, it was from ringing my head after hitting a glass 
door.
I absolutely did not see the door.  Why do people have to clean so good!