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Emanuel Berg |
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Re: [External] : Re: Indentation with spaces |
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Mon, 13 Jun 2022 07:04:52 +0200 |
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Drew Adams wrote:
>> The Closed World Assumption (CWA) is the assumption that
>> what is not known to be true must be false. The Open
>> World Assumption (OWA) is the opposite. In other words,
>> it is the assumption that what is not known to be true is
>> simply unknown.
>>
>> Interesting! OWA seems reasonable but how did they come up
>> with CWA, when is that useful
>
> It's simpler to reason with. If you don't know something to
> be true then you conclude that it's false. This is a common
> approach - databases, Prolog etc. Cf. `completing-read' with
> arg REQIUIRE-MATCH = t.
>
> Of course, one can interpret "no match" as just "dunno" or
> "unproven", but often it's acted on as "false". And as Tomas
> perhaps hinted, it's not just about classifying as true,
> false, and dunno.
>
> It's about the difference between any such closed
> classification and a representation or system that's based
> on the idea that both (a) the set of stuff that's classified
> and (b) the classification of that stuff both (1) are
> inherently incomplete and (2) can change.
>
> CWA is akin to not-proven-guilty-means-innocent (or
> not-proven-innocent-means-guilty). OWA assumes only that
> not-proven means not-proven.
>
>> and what's closed about it,
>
> It doesn't allow for the possibility that there are
> unknowns. It assumes that, at any time, what's known to be
> true is all there is.
>
> It's a useful simplification. But it presents difficulties
> wrt the nature of real knowledge and its evolution.
>
>> that you know what you know to be true and every thing else
>> you then and by that can tell is false. So it's a complete
>> state of the knowledge sphere, that's what's closed
>> about it?
>
> Exactly. At any given time. And a system that allows for
> increasing or changing knowledge has somehow to deal with
> non-monotonic changes in what's known (in particular).
I understand, thanks.
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- Re: Indentation with spaces, Stefan Monnier, 2022/06/09
- RE: [External] : Re: Indentation with spaces, Drew Adams, 2022/06/09
- RE: [External] : Re: Indentation with spaces, goncholden, 2022/06/09
- Re: [External] : Re: Indentation with spaces, Emanuel Berg, 2022/06/11
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- Re: [External] : Re: Indentation with spaces, Emanuel Berg, 2022/06/11
- Re: [External] : Re: Indentation with spaces, goncholden, 2022/06/11
- RE: [External] : Re: Indentation with spaces, Drew Adams, 2022/06/11
- Re: RE: [External] : Indentation with spaces, Christopher Dimech, 2022/06/12
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