Re: Making new files

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On 2024-05-04 21:38, Heime wrote:
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> On Saturday, May 4th, 2024 at 8:16 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> 
> wrote:
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> > > From: Yuri Khan yuri.v.khan@gmail.com
> > > Date: Sat, 4 May 2024 14:41:50 +0700
> > > Cc: Heime heimeborgia@protonmail.com,
> > > Heime via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> > >
> > > On Sat, 4 May 2024 at 07:16, Po Lu luangruo@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > > I always struggle in emacs because there is no way to make a new file
> > > > > from the "File" menu. Can "New File" be added please.
> > > >
> > > > "Visit New File."
> > >
> > > That’s not exactly what Users New To Emacs™ expect from a File → New command.
> >
> >
> > But that's what we decided to have instead of "File->New". There were
> >
> > a lot of discussions about it quite a few years ago, and we ended up
> > implementing that, for reasons that you can find in the discussion
> > (there's more here than meets the eye, as usually with Emacs).
> >
> > So we are not going to change that any time soon. The "New" in "Visit
> > New File" should tell the user this is what they want, and the
> > help-echo tooltip should help some more.
> >
> > > The standard behavior of File → New is to create a blank buffer, no
> > > questions asked. The decision as to the name and location of the file
> > > is deferred to the first explicit save. Emacs, on the other hand, asks
> > > for the name up front.
> >
> >
> > Emacs is not like "other apps" out there, it has its own logic and
> > paradigms, which are usually well-thought. Users of Emacs should
> > realize the value of the Emacs behavior (for example, the fact that in
> > this case Emacs automatically choses the correct modes for the new
> > file), and appreciate it, rather than look for the inferior behavior
> > characteristic of "other apps".
>
> That's what your stupid minds decided.

* in opensource packages, its quite
common, which tests your nerve or
you are in complete disagreement
* i didnt remember package name,
however, on the package website,
its clearly indicated what and
what not features they can implement
* in other words, they are subjective
* i too felt same way ;)
* however, once i forced myself
completely dependant on emacs, i
fully appreciate benefits of choice
made by emacs devs about "making
new file"

> One does "Visit New File", to
> get "Find File" to show up in the "Title Bar".  Find file on something
> that does not exist.  "Visiting something that does not exist" !!!
> I suggest going back to school and relearn the englrish language 
> properly.
>
> "Make New File", not "Visit New File" or any other nonsense you 
> decided.
> You are creating confusion for benefits of convenience.  People do not
> work like that.  Confusion brings more confusion and more confusion.
> One can get fundamental mode, and a user can change it.  Or reload the
> file and get the mode chosen automatically.

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