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Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic


From: Ziv Leyes
Subject: Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic
Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 22:48:10 +0300

I love your ideas, and I think it should be this way ever, since the very beginning, but something went wrong and we're now stuck in a system 99% of us don't really agree with but have to cope with it...
My biggest question is how are you thinking it will be possible to implement those plans, ideas, etc. in our messy and corrupted society?

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 10:10 PM, Patrick Anderson <agnucius@gmail.com> wrote:
We must expand our sense of responsibility beyond our personal
skillset to include co-ownership in all the Means of Production
required for all of our physical needs.


We will buy land and tools and plants and animals and water rights to
begin a Vertically Integrated Permaculture Mosaic.

We will attract middle-income consumers to pre-pay for organic food
(both groceries and restaurant) and many other products, such as ISP
services that we will create within the VIPM.  This is similar to
crowd-funding.

Those consumers will become real co-owners of the VIPM, and so will
pay all the Costs of production (only for the specific products they
want), but since they will not buy the product from us (they each own
their % already), they will not be able to pay Profit or sales-Tax on
that missing transaction.


We will attract workers to commit to labor in the future (promise to
pay with work) in return for their receiving co-ownership in the VIPM
in the MoP for which they want the outputs (not necessarily for the
MoP for which they have skills).

Those workers are also consumers, and will become real co-owners of
the VIPM, and so will pay all the Costs of production (only for the
specific products they want), but since they will not buy the product
from us (they each own their % already), they will not be able to pay
Profit or sales-Tax on that missing transaction.


We will *not* pay the consumers or the workers with money.

We will *not* pay the consumers or the workers with product - they
receive product as a "side-effect" of their co-owning the MoP.

In other words, the owner of a milk-cow does not *buy* the milk from
himself, he owns it already.

Similarly, the co-owners of a milk dairy do not *buy* the milk from
themselves, they each own their % already.


This is a short (somewhat incomplete) description of how to proceed.

Please ask questions and help me fix what is wrong with the idea.


Sincerely,
Patrick Anderson
http://ImputedProduction.BlogSpot.com



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